I do like Glen Beck too! On Sunday night on Fox, Sean Hannity had a special on his show on Illegal Immigration and how much $$ it is costing America. It was very interesting and surprising.

I can't believe SG is quoting (3 times) the KKK article in support of his opinions.
Apparently he agrees with it wholeheartedly. Not surprised.

None of the stuff in the KKK document is trustworthy. It is racist propaganda.

My example of this was that the document almost exactly matches the reasons given by all of the people grumbling about the hispanics in Ark City.
It is very, very funny that SG thinks it is a reference to quote from.
Wait till you see what they say about the Blacks, Jews, Catholics and the United Nations.

It is stupid and anybody that believes that racist stuff is stupid too.

I watched Hannity's program, too. This was the second time I had seen it aired. You can find a link to the info at http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes/index.html . Go to the bottom and click on the videos titled "The Price We Pay". Very interesting documentation regarding the effect illegals have on crime, health care costs, gangs, drugs and identity theft.

By the way guys... Everyone claims to be on the same page regarding this issue. We all claim to be against illegal immigration and no one is claiming to hate the Mexican people. Yet, we sit here and argue until we are blue in the face. Neither side wants to believe the other. What are the real issues here? This debate has spread out over several posts and on more than one blog. From what I can tell, one side is concerned about negative feelings towards illegals are not just directed at the illegals. This side is concerned about racism and prejudice. The other side worries that those claiming to be protecting legal immigrant rights are attacking them everytime they speak out against illegals. This could easily lead one to believe that they are being "shut up".

Fact of the matter is, neither side can do much about it except contact their govenor, congressmen and senators. If they do not rule in your favor, vote them out! I am glad to see that everyone is involved in this debate and keeping themselves educated. It's just that fighting with each other when we claim to have the same "cause" seems kind of pointless. No one hates Mexicans and everyone is against illegal immigration to the U.S.! Let's all kiss and make up, then start working together towards a common goal.

You will notice lagonda, that it was YOU who brought that article into play here, and yes, the parts I took out (like I SAID BEFORE) were things that were taken from OTHER sources, such as Mexican journalists, independent studies, etc, plus, I have read these same facts before from more reliable sources. I could look them up independently if you'd prefer. I'm sure I could find many articles on laraza, reconquista, brown supremacists, etc. There is no shortage of Hispanic groups who promote the overthrow of the US to take back their land. How are brown supremasist groups any different than the klan?

"There is no shortage of Hispanic groups who promote the overthrow of the US to take back their land. How are brown supremasist groups any different than the klan?"

The "reconquista" is not a political movement. It is part of a joke (yes I mean a joke) told by hispanics, in places like San Antonio (seventh largest city in U.S., 70% hispanic) and El Paso to laugh about their newfound political influence. It is no more serious than when blacks refer to justice as "just us".

Revolutionary mexican groups trying to overthrow the U.S. government don't exist.
"Brown Supremacist" groups are fictionalized inventions by the KKK to make it seem like there is an enemy out there.

You can't have fear and paranoia without someone to hate or someone who is the enemy, capable of "taking over". Once you stop making up stories about hispanics and all the damage they are doing and why to fear them, you will see that Kansas would have shrunk instead of grown without hispanics and that they contribute millions of dollars every year to the economy of Ark City.

If you want to rant and rave about illegals and have them deported, then that is fine. But it is not right to be mean or intolerant even to them and if you violate my rights or privacy or those of anyone else who is legal and minding their own business, then you are crossing the line, stepping on my toes and I will not permit that. (not exactly liberal is it?)

I am surprised about the lack of facts and unbelievable fiction running around the town.
I will be around to tell people the difference between saying someone has stated a racist attitude and saying that someone is a fruitcake. I don't guess people can tell the difference, but it is up to the individuals to get a higher standard of knowledge and credibility.

Mother of 2, you are right. This is boring and unproductive.

"I give up trying to talk sense into anyone who advocates illegals being in this country,": SG

"I would ask that you finally admit this truth: Nobody has said they support illegal immigration and for you to quit claiming they do. "

"I love being right", you probably need some Spanish and history to follow the "reconquista" joke. It is not about racism. At the risk of sounding pedantic, here goes:

San Antonio de Bexar was originally French/Spanish/Mexican and Spanish land grants were given to Germans and U.S. citizens to develop the population and farm the land, kind of like (but different from) what was done in western Kansas and in Oklahoma in the land run (remember that one?).

Once they arrived, the Texians decided they wanted to create a Mexican state of Texas and approached Mexico City about it. Mexico City didn't like the idea and got pi##ed off and jailed Stephen Austin for 2 years which radicalized him into a revolutionary. I wonder how many revolutionaries the U.S. is making today, but that is another story.

The Mexicans took San Antonio from the Texians who re-fought and re-conquered the Mexican Army and won it back. The Mexicans re-supplied their troops and took back San Antonio in a little battle called the battle of the Alamo. But it was eventually taken back by the Texians who declared Texas a sovereign republic and it has been a sovereign country ever since (just kidding).

The word "reconquista" means "reconquering" and refers to the fact the Mexicans had it, lost it, had it again and lost it, etcetera. Each exchange of it was considered a reconquista and as the joke goes, it's not over for Texas California Arizona, and New Mexico, which were the spoils of that war.

It is not about other races making racial jokes. Sorry.

I don't think you are a citizen. I'm thinking about coming over unannounced and going through all the papers in your house and taking you downtown until someone you know can come up with your proper papers.

I'm not really interested in that and I would never do anything like that to anybody, but that is what it all means.

A lot of legal law abiding hispanic citizens have the fear that it could happen to them at any time, for no reason at all.

You sure you want that? Think real hard about that one. It's one of the things that makes us "free".

I don't want it. Not me. No way Jose.

I don't think you are a citizen. I'm thinking about coming over unannounced and going through all the papers in your house and taking you downtown until someone you know can come up with your proper papers.
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As a mother of 2 boys with Hispanic blood, this has crossed my mind. With my over active imagination, I can see many worse scenarios played out. I do not want my husband or children to be put in the middle of this fight.

Honestly, if we do not work together (I mean both sides of this argument) this thing could get very heated and out of control quickly. I would rather see the fence built and the "policing" done at the border. We have to stop illegals from coming into our country and city somehow.

As for what to do with those who are already here? Focus on those who are committing the crimes. Give the local police department the authority to do something about it when an illegal is arrested! Hopefully, the state officials will get legislation passed which will help them. Our part in this? Use your voices, or your keyboards, and get the word to them. Tell them this is needed.

Next, we have to eliminate any incentives for them to be here. Do not hire them! The ones who are here to work will not stay. They will go where the work is. We should not have to hunt the honest ones down, they will go on their own free will. If anyone has proof of someone knowingly hiring illegals, they should speak up. I would imagine no employer would want that kind of controversy (or the feds looking them up). Perhaps local "peer" pressure would, in fact, be enough to get this under control. Use your voice!

Those who are here and not working must be doing something to support themselves. I imagine this would involve some sort of illegal activity. Let's crack down on them and give them a ride back home. Again, use your voice. Communicate with local law officials when you see crimes being committed. Give them all of the information you can. They have showed us that when they catch an illegal breaking a crime they will take necessary steps with ICE. If ICE does not respond, again use your voice. Let government officials know you are watching and speaking out.

Last, we are back to the fence. We all know that if an illegal has committed a crime in our town and is deported back to their country, they are very capable of being right back here in a couple of weeks. This could be very scary for those who helped get them arrested in the first place. Secure our borders or we are just spinning our wheels and putting more Americans and Ark Citians at risk to crime.

Reconquista is NOT a joke, and to believe so is exactly what they want us to do.

Here is a link to the Wiki article concerning it. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_%28Mexico%29

The article does say that the terms began as a jocular term, BUT read on...

Modern usage

In more recent times, the notion of Indigenous liberation has become popularized by the Mexica Movement, a group based in Los Angeles.

Whereas previous groups have advanced the notion of reclaiming only the U.S. Southwest, the Mexica Movement goes further by demanding that the entire North American continent be reclaimed by Mexicans, Central Americans, Native Americans, and Canadian First Nations.

Here is a link to the article about the Mexica Movement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexica_Movement

Pretty scary stuff... not at all the JOKE that lagonda would have us believe.  taking our country without firing a shot.  Pretty smart if you ask me.  Not that I'd fall for it, but it seems to be working on a lot of people.

^{They would like us to believe it is only a joke, because if the word got out, it might hamper their plans.  Their plan is working so far, as you can see by the fact that we here in Kansas are having this dicussion.}

http://www.mexica-movement.org/PRESSRELEASEILLEGALS.htm

To the people who care: Just read the articles and decide for yourselves. Don't take my word, OR lagonda's word for anything.

lagonda wrote:

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"Pretty scary stuff... not at all the JOKE that lagonda would have us believe. "

I know you are pretty paranoid about the Mexicans, and it concerns me that one of your other issues is gun control.

It is really important that you stop, take a breath, and look around a bit, because the hispanics are not any greater threat to the U.S. than an army of Shriners in their mini-cars.

In fact, most organized hispanic groups are similar to the Shriners, in that they are put together for community support.

For every web page put together by a nut proclaiming Christopher Columbus was a traitor, I can find one written by another nutcase claiming "Jesus hates Mexicans" or "Hitler is part of God's Plan". Don't just think because it is on the web that it means anything.

Hispanics are not out to "get you".

If there are illegals in Ark City, which there may be some, but probably few, they are not like the conspiratorial escapee fanatics the right wing would have you believe, but probably came to Ark City to legally work in a job and got stuck, one way or another through divorce, overstaying their permit or otherwise.

You really want them to go back home? They probably do too, but may not have a way to do it. They can't get legal jobs and it costs money to get out of Kansas. Turning themselves "in" means pretty tough treatment and jail because of the rightwing nut cases who demand it and they just don't want to volunteer to play cowboys and indians. If you really want them to go back home then maybe work with a local church and set up an outreach to contact them and return them in a way that doesn't scare the living bejesus out of them. They are people too.

The concept that an illegal hispanic would be deported and come back to in two weeks presumes that hispanics have any interest in Ark City in the first place.

SG: I still want you to admit that nobody has ever stated in any of the Traveler blogs that they support or advocate illegal immigration, even though you keep claiming they do.

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Alejandro C. Hernandez   this guy just made the front page, is he german? french? english? Chinese?,,, do you suppose that rapeing two 8 year old twins and a twelve year old are  somthing Lagonda wants to happen in her city??

Well you can thank people like JJ and Lagonda  and other liberal passive pigheaded widgets that we have this type of person in our city, welcoming third world culture to establish its self in your city brings third world statisitics.

 

Honestly, guys I'm going to have to agree with Lagonda on the name thing. I know of several long time citizens of Ark City with the name Hernandez. My husband has some cousins over east with that last name. Until you know that they are here illegaly, you should be careful. Many people with hispanic names live here legally, speak English and are part of our American culture. Many are leaders in our community and bring a lot to the table.

Now, having said that... This person is up on some very serious and hanus charges. It is hard not to be angered by that! We should keep our eyes on this case. Just remember, innocent until proven guilty.

Not to feed our anxieties, but I do know of a very young girl who claimed she was raped by another minor because of an alleged "gang initiation". I know I'm putting the horse before the cart, but I hope this was not the case here.

SG, I remember when we had a very interesting person on another blog. They put their .02 in and said some odd things. It was almost like they were quoting from the Reconquista Hand Book. I would not have considered this a possibility until this person began speaking out. You could not convince me that it is not on someone's mind. Probably and hopefully not the majority, but SOME do believe this is their land and they have more rights to be here than we.

Lagonda is right on this point, we raise in our midst enough home grown criminals that we can claim as ours. Our scociety is turning out more and more sick individuals. I for one will own up to the sick folks we produce in our soft, too tolerant, "don't spank my baby", no dicipline, culture we have made for ourselves. This is what we end up with.
I will be the first to admit that we do have our own versions of sickos. But what we don't need are the illegally imported versions either. Or a concentration of them. So please don't make this a race issue...It is a criminal issue......EVERY ONE! We need to deal with our domestically grown sickos, And the imported variety. Sending the criminals home whether that is (Kansas city or Mexico city) without some kind of penalty is wrong, but of course that isn't their fault. it is our systems fault. Just because someone has never pulled a knife on someone before and tried to kidnap them doesn't mean anyone, I mean anyone should walk.,.White black or brown.....THe end result is...we just let more dangerous criminals out on the streets to come back and harm yet again someone else . Till they end up killing someone like we had last year here in our town. And NO he was not hispaninc...but his behavior was ignored by all, citizens and courts and someone paid the ultimate price. We all know who she was.
We have had sexual preditors here a long time before we had a concentration of hispanics here, true. But that doesn't mean that we don't find them all, prosecute them and imprison them all. I say no deportation for those who commit violent crime against a person. Not until they serve their time for the crime. But we need to make sure our own garden variety sickos are prosecuted and imprisoned at the same time. But I say don't plead all sickos down to lesser charges and then let them walk or be deported to do it all over again to someone elses children, brother, sister, mother, daughter,or son.Make them pay! All of them regardless of color of skin or status of citizenship. I only wish it were possible to deport our home grown variety of sickos out of country but that isn't fair to the rest of the world. So we have made our bed now we must lie in it. Prosecute them, all of them, that doesn' t mean we have to provide them with color TV and airconditioning.
When I was a kid I remember my parents driving by a prison work farm on our way to church. These guys were in prison and HAD to work to provide for themselves and others. Make them work, pay their own way, and prosecute prosecute prosecute.....REGARDLESS OF COLOR OF SKIN! THey don't need a free ride  there either....