What kind of liberal cr@p is the Traveler spewing??

S23246G · Senior Member

What kind of liberal cr@p is the Traveler spewing??

motherof2 · Senior Member

Oh, my goodness. Evidently, we are the minority in this town SG. I see that many have posted pro-illegal immigration comments on James' blog. According to the recent democratic caucus turn out, I'd say this area is in fact liberal. We all know that the Traveler is! Problem is that we have no conservative source for news or information on a local level. Maybe our community needs to get their information from both sides? Maybe you and I need to get together and remedy this problem? Give the Traveler a little competition?

Actually, I can see why this town is liberal minded. More than 50% of the houses in this town are rental properties. I have heard astounding numbers regarding kids eligible for reduced/free lunches in our public school system. Somewhere over 75%? The local income is well below state and national levels and has not seen more than a $2,000/year raise in the median household income in the last 7 years. With the rising costs of health insurance and costs, gas prices, groceries and just about everything else, it's no suprise that this community is jumping on the welfare wagon! We have become a community of takers instead of givers. Many of us trying to earn our money the honest way are just about to give up if we haven't already.

Now that we see more coming into our town to "freeload", I fear we may all be pushed over the edge. Perhaps, we can all quit our jobs and go on welfare like the rest? Don't worry, the Democrats will see that we are taken care of. They'll just borrow more money from China that we can not pay back. Then China can send more products overseas to be purchased by welfare recipients at the local Wal-Mart. It's a win-win for citizens of Beijing! However, the local merchants will have one heck of a time competing with this scenario! Hey, maybe they'll just close up shop and go on welfare, too! Then, what will happen when the rich quit paying taxes? Eventually, they will get fed up or go broke too. Will we just all get down on our knees and pledge our allegiance to the Chinese flag? They will soon be our only source of income as we will no longer be willing or able to take care of ourselves!

By the way, I hear that Mexico reports a large boom to their economy last year. Jobs are on the increase. Wages are up and foreign investments are up by 25%. Too bad Ark City can not say the same! Perhaps we'll get that fence built and then realise that it was actually in Mexico's favor. Soon, they will be keeping US citizens from sneaking into their country for jobs!

S23246G · Senior Member

I have been to Mexico, and the land is beautiful (except where it's people throw there trash... which is damn near everywhere). I say we just let them take over, and then go down there and rebuild the country the way the founding fathers envisioned it. I'm sure they never thought it would turn into the nightmare it has so far.

Speaking of throwing trash, I was behind a car full of hispanics the other day when one of them rolled down the window and threw out what appeared to be several items of McDonald's trash. And the car had California plates that had expired in 2002. I just couldn't help but feel that there was ZERO respect for their new home expressed in that simple action. It's obvious that our laws and rules mean absolutely nothing to them... I just hate when I have to see it happen right in front of me. If I'd had my cell, I'd have called it in and followed them until the cops showed.

How is it that our local police do nothing about all these out of state and expired tags? Kansas law states that you only have 30 days to change your vehicle tags when you move, and only 10 days to change your driver's license to your new address.

Greenpiece · Veteran Member

I agree He is a nut on the lose

motherof2 · Senior Member

SG, funny you should mention this. Just about 2 weeks ago, I noticed a van full who refused to pull over when fire trucks were coming through an intersection with their lights on. They just floored it and took off. Either they are not aware of the laws regarding such things, or they paniced and were running from the sirens. Whatever the case, they nearly caused an accident. I tried to get their tag #, but they took off too fast (way above the speed limit). Now, to be fair... I do not know whether they were US citizens or not.

By the way, why do we keep coming back to this website?

Elee · Veteran Member

Nicely said SG, For those who say we need gun control, lets hope they are never in a predicament that would cause them to be a VICTIM. When guns are outlawed, you set yourself up to be a victim. If that is what Mr Jordan wants to be, so be it, but for me and my children, we will fight. My children have all been taught to handle guns from early childhood jsut as I was taught by my parents. They were taught that they are a very dangerous luxury and we respect them. Guns are a valuable tool when handled properly.My children (girls and boys alike) have been hunting from the time they were old enough according to Kansas Law. I like you SG believe that without them our lives would be totally different. Guns gave Mr Jordan the right to writing his opinion. When guns are outlawed, life would change for us all. And eventually Mr Jordan would lose his right to "power of the pen". He has a right to his opinion for sure...but like my daddy always said...."opinions are like armpits, every one has at least a couple and some of them stink!" (well I did have to rivise my daddy's old saying just a tad to make it printable!) wink

As far as the illegal immigration/Traveler goes, it has been suggested to the Traveler to print their paper in Spanish in the past. I say go for it. I can read the Eagle. I am sure that the Wichita news stations would love to have all of our news to broadcast statewide. All they need is for people to let them know what is going on. Besides, Motherof2 has been keeping us up on many things the paper has not been able to produce anyway with her blogspot. Thanks motherof2. Getting answers from the county attorney and the School board was a bit difficult but she did it. You go girl! smile

I love being Right · Veteran Member

I am shocked to read his blog and the way he replied to anyone that mentioned illegal immigration. He gets upset about some of the language used on the blogs and I thouht his was some of the worst I had seen and very disrespectful. I think it is a good idea to get people to discuss issues, but at the first sign of someone expressing a view other than his left wing ideology he starts yelling "Racist!!" It's ridiculous. I've see children have better discussions and comeback than this crap. What is going on in this town??

S23246G · Senior Member

I love being Right wrote:

I am shocked to read his blog and the way he replied to anyone that mentioned illegal immigration. He gets upset about some of the language used on the blogs and I thouht his was some of the worst I had seen and very disrespectful. I think it is a good idea to get people to discuss issues, but at the first sign of someone expressing a view other than his left wing ideology he starts yelling "Racist!!" It's ridiculous. I've see children have better discussions and comeback than this crap. What is going on in this town??

Can you cut and paste an example ILBR? I must have missed that in his (I assume you mean James Jordan's) blog, but then again, I rarely ever go there. I have a low tolerance for liberal BS, and watching the Democratic debate last night filled me up for at least a week.

I guess I should realize that many do share my view on both gun control and Illegal Immigration, but when all I see coming from the media (especially our local media) is liberal whining, it makes me just a little angry.

I truely hope that no one is ever a victim of a violent crime, and I wish that I didn't have to prepare for the slim chance that someone would ever enter my home with deadly intent, but that just isn't reality.  Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst is my motto. And for James Jordan to bury his head in the sand is his own business, but I truley felt personally insulted by the anti-gun political cartoon he posted.

Maybe he should do an interview with the civilian security guard at the church in Colorado who stopped a rampage by a gunman intent on killing as many people as he could. She stopped him by using the same tool as the gunman... a gun. But a gun is a tool like any other... it can be used for good, or it can be used for bad... it all depends on the person using it. People were killed by other people LONG before guns were invented, and many people would continue to die at the hands of other people if guns were outlawed. Whether it be by baseball bat, knife, sword, coffee table lamp, or their bare hands. Blaming a gun for killing someone is like blaming your fork because you are fat! It is an inanimate object... it's all in how it's used.

I love being Right · Veteran Member

I agree!! My husband travels alot and showed me how to use a gun, and I'm not scared to. If someone wants to enter my home and harm me or my children -- I will protect us!! Yes I was talking about James Jordans blog. Here are a few examples but the full comments are under his blog under posting "Food for Thought". It drew some pretty heated comments from all.

Example 1:
"you really dont sound any different than the racists i used to deal with in south carolina .. the only difference is how brown the skin is.

the only way i know to deal with racism is just to call it what it is ... stupid and evil."

Example 2:
"Are ya gonna tell on me ? :)

pretty brave for someone who can't use his real name. or even a fake one."

Example 3:
"No, You have every right to spout out racist rhetoric and call it someting else.
It is just like South Carolina.
Even the wordage is the same, and you have every right to be that way and talk like that.
At the same time, I am going to call racist talk what it is, EVERY Time it shows up on here.
So.... its up to you.
Just know im gonna bust you on it."

Example 4: - He tried to blame some of the anonymous comments on Patrick (which they weren't)
"Ah Patrick
at least the guy in the paper uses his name. :)"

I was really shocked to see some of these posts. He seems as angry as all the other Left Wing media has gotten to be as of late.

motherof2 · Senior Member

SG, I know how you feel but you really must check it out for yourself. You have stirred up quite a little hornets nest and in the process revealed much about JJ. Maybe we are not alone...

blah · Senior Member

Oh, and where do you think this guy got the $1500 to begin with? Probably by defrauding the US government and not paying taxes!
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yea or maybe he worked at Creekstone for a few weeks?

you really dont sound any different than the racists i used to deal with in south carolina .. the only difference is how brown the skin is.

the only way i know to deal with racism is just to call it what it is ... stupid and evil.

the point was getting more people to move to arkansas city.

of course they should be here legally.

That is the entire post of one of the comments the he put on his own blog...you see when things are taken out of context, then they appear bad. Maybe it's the liberal hippy in me talking, but if you read what he is responding, he has every right to call that person a racist. They stereotyped a hispanic person as illegal and a criminal just for sending money somewhere. Is that not racism? It's also interesting to note the last sentence of his comment, becasue it clearly states that he doesn't support people illegaly coming here to work and live.

But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
- J.F.K

Greenpiece · Veteran Member

I still Say James Jordon is a poster child fruit cake,,,, Liberals crack me up

lagonda · Senior Member

I'm just blown away by these comments.
Listen to yourselves. If my grandma got ahold of you she would wash out your mouth with soap.

It's all just a bunch of name-calling.

These people are hispanics, those people are illegals, some people are liberals (and don't act like you don't mean that as a called name), Jordan is a "nut on the lose" (Please learn to spell. They teach that one in 3rd grade), or a fruitcake.

And it all means that these people or those people are bad people.

What a bunch of judgmental, racist, passive-aggressive narrow-minded blather.

And it is amazing that the Traveler permits you to post this stuff.

I'm firmly with the comments of "blah". When Jordan called it what it is, he was well justified. It takes courage to take a stand against racism.

motherof2 · Senior Member

Do you really think we'd be having this conversation if there were no illegals here? I believe that the legal immigrants do get a bad wrap because of them. It is a shame that their presence is bringing down our city and tearing us apart.

Is this racism? No, I think it's more like "paranoid behavior".
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Here are some definitions for you in Wikipedia:

Racism has many definitions, the most common and widely accepted being that members of one race are intrinsically superior or inferior to members of other races.

Paranoia is a disturbed thought process characterized by excessive anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat.
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No one is saying that they are superior or that Hispanic people are inferior. However, many are fearful of illegal immigrants coming into our town. So much so, that they sometimes have irrational thoughts and jump to conclusions. I wonder if JJ would say that paranoid people are "evil". My conclusion, perhaps JJ is so "paranoid" of racism that he irrationally accuses people.

lagonda · Senior Member

The discussions here are almost like a precursor to stalking and it is always directed to a particular group which is characterized as hispanics. People identify them by their brown skin and put them under additional scrutiny and judgment, beyond what they do with non-hispanics.

If that isn't racism, then I don't know what it is.

There are a lot of reasons some people may be racist, and paranoia may be one of them. Some people may be racists because they feel by discriminating or speaking out against against another group or race, they can ensure their economic stability, which is probably the case here. It is very misguided.

There is one commenter who claims over and over that James Jordan and people in Ark City are promoting illegal immigration and acting very upset if someone says there are few illegals. This seems to disturb others who don't pay attention to the fact that nobody has ever once promoted illegal immigration here, and they comment against the hispanic workers too.

There are a lot of reasons people become racist. Maybe there are psychological problems, like paranoia, or maybe it is lack of empathy or poor education, but all of it is wrong. Jordan said it is stupid. Well, I don't know about that. Sometimes it is stupid, sometimes it is contrived and sometimes it is crazy, but it is not a rational assessment of our fellow man.

If you are looking for a definition in Wikipedia, try this one:

Xenophobia is a fear or contempt of that which is foreign or unknown, especially of strangers or foreign people.

Doesn't give us the permission to single out brown skinned people to scrutinize and criticize.

That is racism.

Greenpiece · Veteran Member

whyen did calling James a fruitcake or nut become racist??? sounds like thats the only card you can play

blah · Senior Member

Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but if you are saying the a person is a criminal and has no right to be in the U.S. based on the color of their skin without knowing anything else about the person, is that not seeing that person intrinsically inferior? There is no justification for what the person said other than the color of that persons skin. That IS racism, and it fits your wikipedia definition. I also consider it a shame that you would look up a definition of racism to try and find a loophole around calling it what it is.

You make a wrong characterization of paranoia. First of all for a person to truly be paranoid (psychologically speaking) the paranoia has to interfere with that persons every day life. Secondly, for a person to be paranoid they have to have a delusion outside of societal norms. As much as I dislike it, the norms of society include stereotyping and racism. Thirdly, a requirement for paranoia is that the patient has to believe that the person (in this case) has the intention to cause harm. But what reason do we have to believe that these people intend to cause harm? The color of their skin? Racism? Maybe racism and paranoia are not as mutually exclusive as you would like to believe. Could in not be that a person becomes paranoid because they're racist? Fourth, using a serious mental disorder to justify racist comments is pathetic. Finally, I would rather be paranoid about the amount of racism with the community and our nation and all of the human rights/civil liberty violations that are incurred due to racism than to tippy-toe around the issue because calling some racist may be offensive. When is comes down to the discrimination of a person due to their race, a person that is no different than any of us, a person that has the same right to live as we do, I find it would be far better to react too aggressively than to feebly.

motherof2 · Senior Member

You know what, you can call it what ever you want. Frankly, I'm getting sick to my stomach from reading all of this. I think it is so ironic that my husband, a Hispanic man, comes to this town and is treated with the utmost respect by all who encounter him. He and I both speak out about illegal immigration into this town and country. However, when he does it he is sympathized with. When I do it (because I have white skin?) I am called racist. Nothing that the anti-immigrant posts you are blabbing about have offended my husband, myself or his Hispanic family. Yet, you keep calling it all racism. Do you NOT think he is a good judge on this subject? Do you honestly think I would sit here and let people say racist things about Hispanic people knowing they are, in fact, talking about my children? Are you really trying to protect people of brown skin or just trying to find someone acuse of being inmoral, stupid or evil? Please, do not do it for me or my family as you do not represent our views and we can take care of ourselves. You have no idea how we feel and obviously do not have a clue about the people you are judging, either.

lagonda · Senior Member

"whyen did calling James a fruitcake or nut become racist??? sounds like thats the only card you can play"

Didn't know we were playing cards.

Please learn to read. I said:

"If my grandma got ahold of you she would wash out your mouth with soap.
It's all just a bunch of name-calling."

Not racist. Childish name calling.

Does that clear it up any?

S23246G · Senior Member

Blah,

You asked to be corrected if you were wrong, so here you go:

No one said that the person James saw sending money home was Illegal, or that if someone was hispanic looking they weren't allowed to be here. I don't know where you pulled that out of, but I have apretty good guess. It just goes to show how you open borders liberals hear what you want to hear, and ignore the facts. I think everyone on this side of the debate (the legal side, by the way), has said that if they (the hispanic people) are legal citizens, then they are more than welcome. It's when they come here illegally that we have a problem. I did say that there would always be some doubt as to whether a person is illegal or legal if they appear hispanic, simply because our Southern border is like the border between here and Oklahoma... People come across it like it isn't even there, AND our government doesn't care. What happens when, instead of a family of mexicans looking for work, a terrorist walks across that very same border with a plan to kill as many Americans as possible? The point is: We have no way of knowing who is in this country.

But, if it makes you comfortable, just continue to spout out the same old learned response to anyone concerned about border security, our soveriegnty, or where our tax money goes, that how we are all immigrants (Although I was born here, and my ancestors came here LEGALLY, so not really), and how we are all racist, because "racist" is such a strong word, you think it will win you the argument.

OR, how about this? How about you show some statistics or proof to to back up your views that there are no illegals in Ark City, or how none of our tax money is spent dealing with illegals, or how two illegals didn't really wait in the back of someone's car with a knife and abduct them, or how there really isn't mexican gang grafitti on walls all over town, or how two illegals didn't murder a club owner here in town and disappear back to Mexico. Now, I know you will say that there are bad people of every race and color, and to that I whole heartedly agree. But if you are here illegally, under a false name or whatever, then how are the police going to find you before you hop skip and/or jump back to Mexico?

How about you do some research, and then come back here and tell us how millions of illegals being in this country is so good for us, our economy, and our future? You seem to know this already, so how about convincing the rest of us. Maybe we just need to see things from your point of view. (although, I'm really not as flexible as I used to be, so it may be tough for me to get my head all the way up there!)

dddfan · Veteran Member

Lagonda
Your defination of racism, as you would have us believe, doesn't hold water.

Just for arguments sake lets look at it this way, you too jj.

Let's say that you are, for want of a better word, white, and so am I.

You decide that you like the computer in my den better than I do, and you also like my good looking blond wife, so you come into my home, and decide to take what you want.

I find you doing this "deed", and I exercise my second ammendment rights and prevent you from doing your evil deeds, and in the process prevent you from attempting it in the future.

What you were doing was illegal, what I did was not.

To put things back into perspetive, no matter what your color is, or your national heritage is, when you do wrong, it is wrong. Race nor national origin has anything to do with it, if your presence here, or your actions are aginst the law you are illegal.

Entering my country, or my home is illegal, and taking things that do not belong to you, (social services, etc, or my computer or breaking any law) is wrong.

Some illegals come into the country without papers, some come here with proper authority, however when that authority expires they do not return to their own countries,(students for example), and some are born here.

As I have posted elswhere on these blogs, the police can not protect you, are not obligated to protect you, but in their defense will do so when circumstances prevail.

Take it one step farther, I am talking about all police, local, state, federal. Since this is documented in several Supreme Court decisions, we as citizens must be prepared to protect ourselves from threats both foreign and domestic.

This is not paranoia, it is fact, and I will be quite happy to hear any rebutal which is based on fact not conjecture, or personal opinion.

dddfan

S23246G · Senior Member

Good jod dddfan... I like how you brought the second amendment back into the argument.

I'm curious... how do the illegal immigration supporters on here feel about gun control? I ask because it seems that most liberals (like Clinton and Obama) are against having guns, AND for giveng amnesty to millions of illegals. I just wonder if it is a partisan thing, and if our local liberals feel the same way. It's obvious that James does, but does anyone else on here feel the same? AND, is there anyone here who feels differently about each, for example, support amnesty AND believe in a persons right to bear arms, or believe in gun control but not amnesty?

I'm just curious. Call it a social experiment.

And what dddfan said is true... in the police academy, we were taught that we had no DUTY to act if someone was in danger. The example given was if you saw a baby fall in a fountain, and it was floating face down, were you obligated by law to pick it up, and surprisingly the answer was no. You see, if you have a duty to protect someone by law, and failed to do so, it would open you (and the Department) up to civil, and/or criminal liability. Not to say that any police officer would ever do that, just showing the way the law is set up. BUT, it is proven that police VERY RARELY stop a crime in progress, so if you're thinking you will just pick up a phone and call the police if someone breaks into your home to kill you, I'm sorry to say that you will most likely be dead, and the murderer long gone. before they get there. Protect yourself!!

lagonda · Senior Member

How do you know I'm white? Because I can read and spell? Very risky assumption here. Especially in Ark City. Or maybe it's the Homer. It's not intended to be me.

OK Racist is a harsh word, even though it is properly descriptive. From now on, I will substitute the word stupid.

Four quick points.

I don't support illegal immigration. Nobody does. If you can identify them without violating anybody else's rights or accusing or bothering anyone who isn't illegal, I think they should be returned to their countries.

It is a basis of our freedoms in the U.S. to not be accused of things we haven't done. This extends to things that other people do even though they look like us, act like us, or are related to us. It is wrong to target law abiding hispanics for anything.

If we were to rant and rail against all 23 year old white males because we think they are all stalkers, that would be wrong too. Don't do the same thing to Hispanics. It's stupid. (get it?)

I've gotten used to it, but it's always kept its surprise when people who would fight tooth and nail for their individual rights and freedoms are the first ones to gossip or sometimes be involved in denying others of their freedoms.

CALLUS · Veteran Member

motherof2 wrote:

SG, funny you should mention this. Just about 2 weeks ago, I noticed a van full who refused to pull over when fire trucks were coming through an intersection with their lights on. They just floored it and took off. Either they are not aware of the laws regarding such things, or they paniced and were running from the sirens. Whatever the case, they nearly caused an accident. I tried to get their tag #, but they took off too fast (way above the speed limit). Now, to be fair... I do not know whether they were US citizens or not.

By the way, why do we keep coming back to this website?

motherof2 is that a law or a courtesy? You know I have heard of some people from small towns doing things like that in big city and causing more accidents from pulling over. If someone is used to big city driving then they probably would have speed up rather than pull over. Could they are US citizens with big town driving habits. A relative of mine told me about an accident involving serveral cars (7 to 15 or more) in a big town when people from a small town where trying to pull to the side for something like what you are talking about happened. Just saying sometimes people who are just driving thru are that just driving thru and will not know how you would like them to drive, just like when you go to the bigger towns people are cursing you for your small town way of driving evileye

SEEN IT BOTH WAYS

CALLUS · Veteran Member

motherof2 wrote:
Do you really think we'd be having this conversation if there were no illegals here? I believe that the legal immigrants do get a bad wrap because of them. It is a shame that their presence is bringing down our city and tearing us apart.

Is this racism? No, I think it's more like "paranoid behavior".
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No one is saying that they are superior or that Hispanic people are inferior. However, many are fearful of illegal immigrants coming into our town. So much so, that they sometimes have irrational thoughts and jump to conclusions. I wonder if JJ would say that paranoid people are "evil". My conclusion, perhaps JJ is so "paranoid" of racism that he irrationally accuses people.

Yes you would the illegal imagration issue just took the place of conversation away from what people like SG would be saying about Blacks, Native Americans, or Asians legal or not, if they where legal it would be about a black or a brown person.
YOU GOT AN ARMPIT SMELL IT !!!!!!

Read the red and think about it. Again I say if it as not this issue SG then it would certainly be one of the others. And it looks liike all on this thread would be trying to put in their

about other racie subjects

-- Edited by CALLUS at 00:05, 2008-02-29

blah · Senior Member

motherof2 wrote:

You know what, you can call it what ever you want. Frankly, I'm getting sick to my stomach from reading all of this. I think it is so ironic that my husband, a Hispanic man, comes to this town and is treated with the utmost respect by all who encounter him. He and I both speak out about illegal immigration into this town and country. However, when he does it he is sympathized with. When I do it (because I have white skin?) I am called racist. Nothing that the anti-immigrant posts you are blabbing about have offended my husband, myself or his Hispanic family. Yet, you keep calling it all racism. Do you NOT think he is a good judge on this subject? Do you honestly think I would sit here and let people say racist things about Hispanic people knowing they are, in fact, talking about my children? Are you really trying to protect people of brown skin or just trying to find someone acuse of being inmoral, stupid or evil? Please, do not do it for me or my family as you do not represent our views and we can take care of ourselves. You have no idea how we feel and obviously do not have a clue about the people you are judging, either.

So whether or not you're husband and his family are offended by it are the official rules of what is and is not racism? Tell that to the tens of thousands of Hispanics protesting. People have not been racist in this particular thread of this forum, the racism that occured was actually comments on one of James Jordans blog, not sure if you've taken a look at it but a couple of them fall under the racism category.

It's become fairly obvious at the point that the definition of racism is subjective, so there isn't really any point in arguing what is and is not racism. As much as it ticks me off to hear someone say that assuming a hispanic person who is sending money somewhere is a criminal and defrauding the gov't by not paying taxes, I won't be able to change anyone's mind here. I've tried looking at it from your point of view, and the fact that there are many illegal immigrants in this country and some of them are causing harm. But when it comes down to the end, I have to weight the harms of immigration against the civil liberty abuses it would require to track down and deport all illegal immigrants, and quite frankly those are not liberties I would give up to solve the situation, especially in the face of alternative solutions. I think that amnesty to those already here and tougher border security measures would do the trick, but meh I'm done with this.

Also, someone drew the connection between increased gang graffiti and immigrants, I think it stems back to another thread on here where someone looked up a gang sign and found out that it belongs to a hispanic gang? I'm telling you this because I'm in the same age group of these 'gangsters' and it is white kids who make up a majority of the groups, copy cat gangs if you will.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-Aristotle

lagonda · Senior Member

"fire trucks were coming through an intersection with their lights on. They just floored it and took off."

In most states if there is an emergency vehicle approaching an intersection, and you are at the intersection, you are NOT supposed to pull over and stop, because that blocks the emergency vehicle from going through the intersection. You are supposed to clear the access for emergency traffic in the intersection, even if it means running a red light.

Small town drivers are hazardous in the cities.

A lot of small town drivers who go to places like Chicago cause very serious wrecks when they pull up to an on ramp and stop at the end of it to see if traffic is coming, which is the standard locally.

Those things are "acceleration ramps" where other drivers are LOOKING BEHIND THEM and ACCELERATING HARD to match their speed to the moving traffic, expecting other traffic to merge*, presuming everyone else is doing the same thing. They will hit your stopped car from behind at FULL HIGHWAY SPEEDS and not even see you first. They aren't looking forward. This type of wreck is particularly horrible because of the location of most gas tanks. Just be aware.

Similar thing with people yielding to emergency vehicles. They will be making a path for the emergency vehicles and will be doing it fast. DON'T slam on your brakes in front of them.

Because I haven't seen this one locally in 10 years, I thought I would include a definition.

*merge:
An action where one or more drivers see another driver attempting to enter into the traffic flow and either speed up or slow down to give the entering vehicle room to safely enter the flow of traffic.

S23246G · Senior Member

motherof2 wrote:

Do you really think we'd be having this conversation if there were no illegals here? I believe that the legal immigrants do get a bad wrap because of them. It is a shame that their presence is bringing down our city and tearing us apart.

Is this racism? No, I think it's more like "paranoid behavior".
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Here are some definitions for you in Wikipedia:

Racism has many definitions, the most common and widely accepted being that members of one race are intrinsically superior or inferior to members of other races.

Paranoia is a disturbed thought process characterized by excessive anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat.
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No one is saying that they are superior or that Hispanic people are inferior. However, many are fearful of illegal immigrants coming into our town. So much so, that they sometimes have irrational thoughts and jump to conclusions. I wonder if JJ would say that paranoid people are "evil". My conclusion, perhaps JJ is so "paranoid" of racism that he irrationally accuses people.

CALLUS wrote:

Yes you would the illegal imagration issue just took the place of conversation away from what people like SG would be saying about Blacks, Native Americans, or Asians legal or not, if they where legal it would be about a black or a brown person.
YOU GOT AN ARMPIT SMELL IT !!!!!!

How DARE you Sir... How DARE you say that I am racist against African Americans, Asians, and Native Americans (or hispanics for that matter). On what would you base a claim like that? I have said over and over that it is not the people themselves that I am against, but the fact that they are here illegally. Do not make slanderous statements about someone who you know nothing about.

You know, I usually just skip over your posts because trying to translate them into something I can read or make sense of is time consuming, but this time you have gone too far.

dddfan · Veteran Member

Callus,

I think that if you read the statutes, failure to yield to an emergency vehicle, displaying a steady or flashing light, and sounding a siren or simular device, will get you a ticket.

Need to read that there is a note that says as soon as it is safe to do so.

I know this is not California, but I can guarantee that failure to do so there will get you a ticket, if there is another unit around, I've done it more than once. Given tickets that is.

As for you response to motherof2, sounds like you are spouting your own "armpit".

What you and most of the other "liberals" around, mistake for racism is not even close. The issue is legality. I don't know you, but if I did, and you fell into the catagory of "illegal", as we have been using in these posts, I would ask you to leave, in the most direct terms. I don't care what color your skin is, as I have stated before.

Do so and come back legally, as per the constitution, and I will welcome you. Yes, the fact that you are legal does make you a diffrent person, it shows respect for me and my country, and traditions. It shows you are a law abiding citizen of a free nation who shares the same basic beliefs, and wants to belong to it based on those beliefs.

The rhetoric that it takes so long to do the process legally, doesn't make it either. I had to wait 16 years before I could drive car, 21 to vote, same 21 to get married, the list can go on and on. I didn't come from the womb speaking english, I had to learn it, I wasn't born with a college degree, or a diploma, I had to to earn them.

One of the problems with our society is give, give, give, well someone has to earn it before it can be given, and those things that are given are not respected nearly as much as something that you had to earn. Apply it where you will.

dddfan

S23246G · Senior Member

CALLUS wrote:

motherof2 wrote:

SG, funny you should mention this. Just about 2 weeks ago, I noticed a van full who refused to pull over when fire trucks were coming through an intersection with their lights on. They just floored it and took off. Either they are not aware of the laws regarding such things, or they paniced and were running from the sirens. Whatever the case, they nearly caused an accident. I tried to get their tag #, but they took off too fast (way above the speed limit). Now, to be fair... I do not know whether they were US citizens or not.

By the way, why do we keep coming back to this website?

motherof2 is that a law or a courtesy? You know I have heard of some people from small towns doing things like that in big city and causing more accidents from pulling over. If someone is used to big city driving then they probably would have speed up rather than pull over. Could they are US citizens with big town driving habits. A relative of mine told me about an accident involving serveral cars (7 to 15 or more) in a big town when people from a small town where trying to pull to the side for something like what you are talking about happened. Just saying sometimes people who are just driving thru are that just driving thru and will not know how you would like them to drive, just like when you go to the bigger towns people are cursing you for your small town way of driving

SEEN IT BOTH WAYS

Of Course it's the law to move out of the way of an emergency vehicle! Where did YOU learn to drive?