Chautauqua suspect pleads to kidnapping

Oh my Gosh.. My heart breaks for this young girl, I hope that he gets the whole 330 months, That's a little under 30 years and with his age he won't be back on the streets (hopefully)- If it was up to me he would get death, Yes I said death. Can't wait to see what I get called for saying that.. This girl will never be the same, Never. Once you've had something like this happen you lose trust in people, You lose part of yourself. She will never be able to heal fully and I hope that she has great people around her to help her through the healing process... Life is hard enough when your young. Thanks for posting this, I didn't know about it until you posted it, She'll be in my prayers tonight.. May she get justice.

The dude will be going away for the rest of his life anyways, it's not like he's going to be committing crimes at 80 if he even does make it that far, a plea bargain makes sense in this case. Why send him to jail longer then necessary if you can get him to roll on somebody else?

Just because the maximum sentence is 330 months, does not mean he will serve all of that. Probably not even half.

I'm thinking if someone in my family kidnapped, raped and sodomized a 14 year old girl, they would deserve to be shot, I'm pretty sure I'd be ok with that.

It also doesn't say that they didn't try him on the other counts of the crime, it could very well be that the prosecution couldn't adaquetly prove that he was guilty on the others. Unlikely, but my point is this is yet another example of someone on these forums taking a little blurb and blowing it out of proportion. From the actual article (if you can call it that) I don't see anything to deem this "another failing of the judicial system"

I believe that Callus is saying you would have been angry if your family member was accused of this crime and killed in the process of the police trying to arrest him/her. I would be pretty pissed off if that happened considering they had not actually proved that he/she had done something wrong at that time. Police (and the juducial system, for that matter) do make mistakes. I'm not sure if any of you have read one of John Grishams latest books, but it's a non-fiction account of an group of accused rapist and murders who were sentenced to death, and long story short they didn't do it but everyone in the community was so convinced they had done it that they convicted them despite some glaring problems in the police evidence. A pretty good read if you ever want to check it out, and they also mention another book in there called Dreams of Ada which deals with the same kind of thing, both pretty interesting.

When you're talking over 5 years in prison then you're going to see a vast deteration in a persons physical and mental health, especially a person who is already entering the later stages of life. Take into account that sex offenders and especially criminals who hurt children have the roughest time in jail, and I'm willing to bet the bank that he won't be any condition to hurt anyone if he does get out early. I'm still conviced that getting him to roll over on someone else (especially his accomplice) would be more beneficial then throwing the book at him and having to let his accomplice or another criminal go due to a lack of evidence.

I would not load the gun, but I'm not a death penalty fanboy, so agree to disagree.

Hmmm.......that is something to think about, if they couldn't find any evidence to prove that he raped and sodimized this girl. On the other hand if he did and their was evidence, he will be most likely be registered as a violent offender and not a sex offender. That would seriously worry me.

Blah, good points here. Actually, I am against the death penalty for the reasons you just mentioned. Our system is not perfect. One innocent person put to death is not worth all of the guilty. You have brought me back to reality on this one. As far as the cops go, I believe they have a right to shoot someone if their or someone else's life is in immediate danger. If my family member was putting them in this situation, I'd say they had it coming.

I know we were a little quick to pull the trigger on that one -- it's just a really frustrating and heart breaking issue. And I hate that these people hurt our children -- it's unforgiveable......but I see your point. Our country wouldn't be what it is if we didn't have innocent until proven guilty.

I understand the need for a plea bargin. It does save time and money. Especially if the attorney in this case only works part time. I would not have a problem with plea bargins if the convicted person did the whole 330 months or 27.5 years. The real problem is that I have always heard that in Kansas you are elligble for parole at half the time of your sentence plus 6 months. This jerk would be elligble at 14.3 years or age 71, still young enough to do it again. I say when you get 330 months you do 330 months, and just to make sure he doesn't do it at age 84 when he gets out, you also castrate the slimeball.

Callus, I would not want anyone shot who was not attempting to kill someone else. I believe shooting someone should be the last resort. I guess my point was that if that person was my family member, I'd say they had it coming. As far as car chases go, I'd say it was the person fleeing from the cops who were puttiing lives in danger (including the cops). There is a real fine line there. Where do cops draw the line and pull off? If they go to catch him later, will it hold up in court? We see a lot of people walking with a lot more hard evidence. Is it worth someone getting killed? Probably not!

The death penalty isn't a deterrent to murder, if you want I can scan some of the studies and post them up here or try and find them online. Long story short, violent and henious crimes occur just as often, and in most cases more often, in states with the death penalty v states without.

I doubt they fantasize about what they've done while in prison, although it is possible. Hardly seems like a reason to kill them though, unless you have some crazy mind-reading/esp connection with the murder/rapist/etc. If that's the case, I'd suggest putting aluminum foil around the top of your head, maybe inside a ball cap or something. That should prevent the waves from entering your mind, and then you're home free. I kid, I kid.

But seriously, I don't think it is justifable to kill someone for thinking about bad things they've done. What would be next, arresting people for thinking about killing some one or making someone disappear? What about the murders who don't fantasize, do we let them live? If so, how do we decide who's fantasizing and who's not?

I didn't base my ideas on Capital punishment solely on the fantasizing of the perp, you tard. That's just a litigating factor. Maybe I should write in monosyllables.

I give up.

Goodbye.

So is the recidivsim rate of life without parole.
And it's cheaper too.