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RE: ELECTION 2008


I was not necessarily stating it to be fact, just saying that is one more thing I have heard in the main stream media. There is alot of crap that gets stated about GWB and what he has done and everyone just spouts their conspiracy theories on Bush and Cheney -- so I was actually just pointing out another side.

You can not possibly know beyond a reasonable doubt that no one on that list died due to their direct relationship with the Clinton's. I'm pretty sure unless your involved? And just because something about the Clinton conspiracy theory is on Snopes.com does not lead me to believe that is the final word on the subject. Who wrote the article on Snopes? It uses several resources that some people decided it added up to being untrue -- so that sounds like another opinion to me. Now if it was a computer virus or something that didn't need opinion to decide that answer, I might believe it.

Just because you protest your view in a more insulting, discourteous, ungracious manner does not make it more FACT than someone elses view.

I find it hard to believe that your the only one with FACTS on here! But maybe you work for Snopes, so your automatically correct every time, regardless of opinion.

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"I didn't actually see you stating this stuff as fact,"

Not talking about you.

Charles Manson? You're kidding, right?
Matter of public record with court transcripts and conviction records.

To restate: I think that there is a conservative center, and I hope I'm not wrong.
Sometimes it's hard to tell if any of us are remaining.



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"Just because you protest your view in a more insulting, discourteous, ungracious manner does not make it more FACT than someone elses view."

Man, that was a good one! Kudos!

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"You can not possibly know beyond a reasonable doubt that no one on that list died due to their direct relationship with the Clinton's"

So if I can say that I don't know they didn't,... and you say that you don't know that they did, ... then that automatically makes it true that they did.

Wow. some kind of logic.

Here's how it works:

The right wing agitators make up some story, no matter how preposterous or devoid of fact or full of intentional half-truths, and it is distributed and broadcast as fact. One has to disprove every single aspect of it beyond any doubt for any of the story to be a lie, when anybody with any sort of reason at all can see the BS clearly.

Almost all of the conspiracy theories are lies and half-truths, whether right wing, space aliens, new world order, U.S. invasion, or whatever. They are ghost and goblin stories for grown-ups.

Funny thing is in Mexico, there are hundreds of thousands of people who believe with all measure of their minds that a Chupacabra is in the desert (or woods, wherever) and will "get" them at night. It is a mystical being that is part coyote and part satanic demon and sucks the blood out of goats. (although I don't know why that is scary, go figure)

It is a little amazing how people believe such nonsense and make up such stories about things. Clinton's Murder Conspiracy is one of those.

It really not totally stupid to believe these things when you first hear them, but after you might think about it a while it and do some research, then there is no excuse.




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"Just because you protest your view in a more insulting, discourteous, ungracious manner does not make it more FACT than someone elses view."

You are absolutely right (no pun intended).

I've said it a couple of times. Take a good look at some of this stuff to see it it is even reasonable before you repeat it as truth.

It is always ungracious to point out the obvious and say that someone's stated opinion is without factual basis. For that I apologize.

The effort to encourage people to raise their reality evaluation threshold?
I don't apologize for that.

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And now you're trying to say that Chupacabras aren't real???

LIBERAL LIES!

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Wow this whole argument is pretty stupid, doesn't dignify further responses.

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Charles Manson? You're kidding, right?
Matter of public record with court transcripts and conviction records.

Charles Manson never actually murdered anyone! He had his crazy followers do it. He was convicted of CONSPIRACY to commit murder, but never murdered anyone himself.

Now do you see the connection I was trying to make?

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So, back to the 2008 race...

Why do you think Clinton is trying so hard NOT to release her taxes, even though she talks about being transparent? (Obama is the only one who has released his at this point)

I think it's because Bill has been running around making shady deals ever since he got out of office, raking in tens of millions. How did Hillary come up with the 5 million to loan her campaign when it got into trouble? Senators don't make that much. I really think they have something to hide, and are afraid if they give experts too much time to go through the taxes, something will pop up that will hurt her chances.

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Okay, I have given it a lot of thought, and I think I am going to HAVE to vote McCain, ONLY because the next President will probably appoint at least one Supreme court Justice, and I want that appointee to be a conservative. I am afraid that if we Get Clinton or Obama, the appointee will be VERY liberal in his or her interpretation of law.

Something to think about.

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I've said I'm waiting for the meltdown. So far 2 out of 3. There's still time.
A lot can happen. Can't wait to see what is next.

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Aren't there enough conservatives on the court? I mean Bush got to appoint two and his dad got to appoint to. At any rate, I think the court should keep more of a balance like they have now, with roughly an equal amount of left and right leaning members. This would allow for the encompassment of a majority of the interpretations of the law, which would lead to better decesion making based on the fact that a greater majority of options were discussed.

Also, a Republican president does not always lead to a right leaning nominee for supreme court justice. Ford put John Paul Stevens, who leans left, on the court. George H. W. Bush appointed Stouter, who also leans left. I think it is safe to say that the Senate has been trying to keep the court balanced by threatening to strike down an appointee who would upset the balance too much (or at least filibuster).

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I think the elephant in the room when it comes to the Supreme Court is the abortion argument, and I think that with another conservative Justice, Roe v. Wade might actually have a shot at being overturned. I think there are a LOT of people who would like to see that happen.

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I would think there are a LOT of people who wouldn't

Pro-Choice isn't Pro-Abortion, just throwing that out there, it seems like anytime I've ever said anything about being pro-choice I'm deemed a baby killer, consider this pre-empting that argument haha

For Roe v Wade to be overturned though, they'll need a test case to make it that far again, and good luck with that one.

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"For Roe v Wade to be overturned though, they'll need a test case to make it that far again, and good luck with that one."

That's true, but it is possible.

Also, with the Supreme court finally considering the scope of the second ammendment right now, I think we need all the conservatives we can get.


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"A lot can happen. Can't wait to see what is next."

Barack Obama:

""You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," he said.

"And it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," he added. "

He might have a point, but is anyone going to appreciate him for saying it?

And, I nominate, for the "golden foot in the mouth award", none other than Barack Obama. And the crowd cheers.

It ain't over yet!!!!!

We've got at least one Hillary, two Obamas, a McCain (Al queda supported by Iran) and probably more to come. This one caught me by surprise. McCain's adviser called it "nothing short of breathtaking". Roger that one.

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 same senario sees the problem but says that the problem isnt the problem lets blame it on somthing else,, Obama Hussain talk alot of talk but never have i heard him say how he would fix anything,, just acknowledges there is a problem and blames others for not doing more,,,, typical\

 McCain has nothing at all to offer us other than more of the same,, looks like Hillery unfortunetly is the lesser evil,, where are all of out Independants,,, do you think Ross Perot can here the call??? for duty

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Hillary is the lesser evil? I never thought I would hear that one, but unfortunately she IS better than Obama -- but I'll take McCain.

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At least he didn't sugarcoat or avoid the issue, and it's not like he said something false either.

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