ok I vote no on any tax

How about this for a new poll? Do you like brown people? I have been reading lots of trash on the minority in AC. Is this the norm?

Honestly, there IS a bad attitude towards illegal immigrants in this town. However, it is not a hate of the people, themselves. It is more directed at a broken system which forces legal citizens to carry the burden for those who are not. If the government would just give equal rights and responsibilities to all, tensions would cease. Oh, and we do have a problem with illegal citizens coming into our towns and committing crimes. We would rather the criminals be doing this in their own country. Sorry, but that is the truth! Can you really blame us for wanting to live in a city and feel safe or for feeling violated when a crime is committed against us by a citizen of another country? If you do not believe me, then let me tell you this... Just last night I picked up a young hispanic woman walking down a dark street with three young children. She was carrying one of them and had a bag of groceries in the other arm. If I were a racist, I would have simply ignored her. However, I turned around and gave her a ride home. She had walked all the way from Wal-Mart. I picked her up on the corner of F and Madison to find she still had over a mile to get home. Neither she nor her children spoke English, but they all knew the word "Thank You" and repeated it several times as they got out of my truck. It really makes you wonder what those four had left behind if they consider their current situation better. I wish I could do more for people like her. However, I do not believe the government has a right to make me do anything for anyone. I will do these good deeds on my own good will if given a chance. I just prefer to determine who the recipient is and when. If that is selfish of me, then I am sorry. Sometimes I need to feed my own children, too.

I guess they got the hint?????

Well, I'm white and have been married to a LEGAL brown man for 7 years. Together we have LEGAL 1/2 brown children. Believe me, I will only stare at you if you are staring at me. Oh, and for the record I get stared at a lot by brown men and women in town which makes ME feel uncomfortable. Trust me, the tension is being felt by people of all colors. I am a 6th generation Ark Citian and do not think it is right that I should feel this way!!! Nor should you. Fact of the matter is there are tensions in this town.

My husband wants to put HIS 2 CENTS in on this issue: He says, "This is AMERICA and we speak English. We do not need to learn Spanish to accomodate others. His grandparents came from Mexico the legal way and raised 11 kids to speak English only, as they came here to be Americans! They lived in a small Kansas town where there were only white citizens and they fit in just fine. If these people want to be here, they should want to be Americans, too. Most of the ones we talk to just want to make their money and then go back to Mexico. They do not even like our country.

Oh, and if you think being pro-American makes us racist, sorry!

Oh, I'm sorry. You are right. This is all Mexico and we should just bow down and kiss your feet. How dare we think this is our country, us ignorant uneducated white people. Please try to forgive me. I will tell my white brothers and sisters to politely bow their heads when you enter the room. I will tell them that it is not acceptable to look a Mexican in the eyes. I will also tell my husband that he is a Mexican and that he was brainwashed by all of us ignorant white people and should return to his race. Would you like me to start teaching my children Spanish and abolish English in my home, too. Would this satisfy you, your grace?

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Well, I'm white and have been married to a LEGAL brown man for 7 years. Together we have LEGAL 1/2 brown children. Believe me, I will only stare at you if you are staring at me. Oh, and for the record I get stared at a lot by brown men and women in town which makes ME feel uncomfortable. Trust me, the tension is being felt by people of all colors. I am a 6th generation Ark Citian and do not think it is right that I should feel this way!!! Nor should you. Fact of the matter is there are tensions in this town.

My husband wants to put HIS 2 CENTS in on this issue: He says, "This is AMERICA and we speak English. We do not need to learn Spanish to accomodate others. His grandparents came from Mexico the legal way and raised 11 kids to speak English only, as they came here to be Americans! They lived in a small Kansas town where there were only white citizens and they fit in just fine. If these people want to be here, they should want to be Americans, too. Most of the ones we talk to just want to make their money and then go back to Mexico. They do not even like our country.

Oh, and if you think being pro-American makes us racist, sorry!
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Don't you mean you are a white legal married to a brown legal. Remember.... your ancestors came here from over seas. Doesn't your husband know that Mexico is America and MOST of the people in "America" speak SPANISH. His parents raised 11 children to speak English because of ignorant whites who thought that if you speak a different language in front of them you must be talking ABOUT them. Your husband might only speak English, but in his heart he is brown. His family didn't leave Mexico. Kansas was Mexico before it was Kansas. THESE people don't want to be Americans, THEY are "American" You are the one that is truely NOT>>>>>American. Believe me they do like OUR COUNTRY they just don't like OUR racist PEOPLE. Pro-America does not make since to me. America is a CONTINENT not a country. Go back to school.

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Two Cents, maybe you should post your address for the graffiti painters to decorate your abode. Motherof2 has been suffering the uneasiness of them coming into her neighborhood and distroying property right and left. Are they hispanic you may say? Who really knows for sure. But I imagine it will be safe to say they are American whether it be the south of the border kind or otherwise, according to your way of thinking.
BTW, I believe it is you that needs to go back to school, the word you were reaching for was sense, NOT since.....If you are not native american (indian) you are all illegal....right?

Let me clarify something I said that made your blood boil...when I said Kansas was once Mexico I said it because ....In reality they ARE in their land already. Think about it.... Oh!!! and be careful with your bloody eyes... YOU MIGHT START SEEING US ALL AS RED N_ _ _ S. Sorry....Dry Humor...I can help myself.
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I am glad to hear that you pledge to the same flag as I, but I guess I just do not get it. I'm thinking about it, but do not get why you claim Kansas is really Mexico and that the illegals are already in their land.

Look, if you insist on calling me racist I will have to do the same to you. Honestly, I feel like you have an incredible hate towards me and people of white skin. I have always gone out of my way to make people of all skin color feel comfortable and welcome around me and my town. It has not always been easy, as some chose not to return the love. However, I have kept on trying to do the right thing and be a good person to all. I will admit that my post regarding my husbands 2 cents was not politically correct and may have been taken as rude. It does seem ironic that this is an opinion coming from a man of Hispanic descent. He gets put in the middle of this "racism". He is criticized from both sides and he is really fed up! I will be honest with you, though. Now after reading your posts, I have become sooo angered and am seeing things differently. I do not want to be this way, but it seems that you have just confirmed my worse fears. I now truly believe that you all hate me and that the stares that I get in the local shops are not sent my way with good intentions. I know I should be grateful that you have cleared this up for me, but I think I would have preferred to be more naive.

Like it or not, this IS the United States of America. The Stars and Stripes IS our flag, and no other will be flown above it.

The Pledge of allegance, the National Anthem are spoken and sang in the american language.
I am NOT unfortunate not to understand the language of another nation. If I were in that country, and could not understand their anthem or allegance, I would remain quiet while their citizens sang or made their pledge, and get on with it. Should I remain in that country, I would make a concerted effort to learn it in their language, so I could understand it they way they intended for it to be recited, and understand how important it is to them.

Ask an American vet how important it is to them.

Take this anyway you see fit, it is not racially motivated. If you want to live in this country, fine, you are welcome, if you do it right, just don't try to change our way of life to the way of life of what ever country you came from, because it probably wasn't all that great to begin with or you wouldn't want to leave it.

Join our country, but respect it and our traditions.

Man, I can't believe I've missed all this fun you guys have been having in this thread. I didn't realize the thread about a poll change had regressed to name calling, and brown supremacists telling you how we are all on mexican land. 

Let me just say that brown people are fine by me IF they are legal, English speaking, and not draining our tax dollars.

First of all, I agree that the American Indians were the original owners of this land. What the white man did to them was unspeakable and cruel.

But the same did not happen with Mexico. The Border between Mexico and the US was a fought over in a war. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ended the war and gave the U.S. undisputed control of Texas, established the U.S.-Mexican border of the Rio Grande River, and ceded to the United States the present-day states of California, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Wyoming. In return, Mexico received US $15,000,000, less than half the amount the U.S. had attempted to offer Mexico for the land before the opening of hostilities and the U.S. agreed to assume $3.25 million in debts that the Mexican government owed to U.S. citizens.  The U.S. also allowed all Mexicans living in the territories taken in the Mexican Cession to become U.S. citizens. 

Kansas was never part of mexico.

And NOW, the illegal mexicans are attempting to take back our southern states by RECONQUISTA (Which is the same way Americans started taking the parts of Mexico that we now have),  and they are getting closer every day.  How long before they decide to go to war and take back what they believe was taken from them unfairly.

It's the brown supremacist attitude that makes us law abiding citizens dislike illegals who come here and act like they own the place.  They show ZERO respect for our laws, and customs, and our language.  To them, this country is nothing but a workplace.

People of the US need to wake up and stop this invasion at all costs.  Build a wall (or two), and keep this country from being over ran, before we find ourselves in another war to decide who actually owns what land. 

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Just watched Lou Dobbs Tonight. There was a woman on there trying to get Lou and Glenn Beck fired. She claims that they are promoting hate crimes against illegal immigrants and she was trying to get it stopped. She said that according to the SPLC, the minute men and FAIR group are racists groups. She was upset with Lou and Glenn for letting them be on their shows. In other words, she didn't believe national news figures are allowed freedom of speech on their broadcasts. They are trying to regulate who they allow on their shows and what they can talk about.

On a recent trip I took to a military base I found that something that was going on that none of you seem have a clue about.  I had a  reality check myself wittnessing it. I sat in a small apartment at a party with several young soldiers of one  platoon and found that none of them have the issues we have going on here on this forum. At this super bowl party were blacks, whites, indians, and those of mexican decent. The young hispanic man there was born in mexico and came to the U.S. in the arms of his mother, he is legal and serving proudly. What I saw that night was all of them celebrating together as brother and sisters, there was no black or brown, or white, or male of female, no culture clashes. They were all soldiers. They had all been in a situation where there were in fear of their lives and they all had to take care of each other. They were brothers and sisters. They had lived in the field with little or no sanitary facilities with nothing but MRE's (meals ready to eat) to eat.... Hard times or easy times they shared them all. None of this crap on WHO WAS HERE FIRST! Does it really matter who was here first? Maybe what we need to ask is what does really matter.....When Motherof2 picked up the young hispanic mother with her children,  I didn't see a racist. I saw a mother, helping out another mother. I didn't see a white/brown situation. But still there are those who insist on making it a brown/white issue on both sides of the coin. Yes, we are all here and we should all be treated fairly, having the right to come and go as we feel free, shop, travel and pay taxes.  To live in freedom in the USA we all have to earn the right to live here. With that comes a price, taxes...we all have to pay them. I believe the issue isn't brown/white...it is "Do you pay your taxes?" To earn the right to be here that is one of the bitter pills we have to swallow. And if that were not an issue, I don't think there would be as much of a problem.

Do I think we have a problem with illegal imagration? Yes, I do. Do I think that it is only "Brown people?" No, I do not. They just happen to be the majority because of the easy access to the borders to the south, that's all. I guess what concerns me most about illegal immigration is, if it is that easy to get across our borders for friendly immigrants, then the bad ones (terrorists) could just as easily cross the borders. That is what scares me....We do need to shore up our borders north and south....not to keep brown people out, only to keep bad people (terrorists) out. To keep us all safe, brown, black, white and red. All of us. And I think we could learn a bit from our soldiers about being tolerant of each other.
Lets keep painting over the graffiti...and keeping our eyes out for those who may be doing it. Try writing down tag numbers and keeping watch for our neighbors. There is strength in numbers and the public are the eyes and ears for the police department. Even if you don't get much response from the PD keep those tag numbers and the documentation you keep on who comes and goes up and down the alley late at night. Or who prowls the streets in your neighborhood. Make it a point to know your neighbor. He/she may be your strongest ali. Trust me, someday that documentation may come in handy.

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WOW!!!! ELEE.... Finally a fair and great responce. I knew there had to be someone who is color blind there in AC,Kansas. Thanks for your words. I am a born in the USA person who has had family fight and die in the war. I statred paying taxes at the age of 13. In my blood I carry Native America, Mexican, German, Sweden, and Chinese. I am a melty in this great pot, the USA. In my family we have many interracial unions and children. We love each other very much. Sorry for my harsh words, but sometimes I JUST get tired of the hate. You may not believe it but I am a Christian. I want to thank you for letting me vent. I will try to be less critical in the future.