I woke up this morning to find the words "456 Piru" spray painted on my neighbors garage door. I wish I knew how to get the picture I snapped on this site. I did send one to the Traveler, though. I honestly do not think anyone has lived in this home for some time, but the last couple who did were very nice respectable people. 3 weeks ago, I had back to back nights with someone trying to get into my home (while we were home). The first night, we all heard a loud bang on the side of my house and my children were scared to death when they saw a man's face in my front window! The second night, they woke me up when they were trying to get in the back door at about 12:30. Instead, they took about $200 worth of hunting items from my husbands truck. We have also found our mail scattered in our front yard, like some of our other neighbors this last 2 weeks. One morning, at about 5:45 am, a man was seen by my neighbors mailbox squatting with a flashlight. They took off running when they were seen. The day before that, a caucasion couple was seen going through another neighbors mailbox. They came home to find their mail scattered in their yard. After entering the words 456 Piru into the net for a search, I found that this was a name of a gang based out of California with activity around the states. Recently, a member was shot in Oklahoma City while burglarizing a home. This gang is well known for home invasions, burglaries and cocain smuggling. Now, someone please tell me this... Are these young wanna bee's or the real deal? I am getting a po box tomorrow and have already installed security systems around my home. I have spoken with several of my neighbors already, and plan to initiate a community watch program with their help. Enough is enough! One man told me he is going to move, but I say the bandits will be the ones moving!
Oh, and I know what you are thinking, she probably lives in a bad neighborhood. Guess again!!!!
I know you have probably already contacted the Arkcity police department and told them about this happening. There is nothing they would like better than to catch one of these scoudrels in the act. I am so sorry that this is happening to you and worst of all to your children. Home should be a "safe" place for them to be, and I know as a mother myself how important it is to make your children feel safe in thier own home. It sounds like you have done all you can do surrouding your home to make it safer, minus getting a guard dog. Too bad I can't loan you mine. She is great with kids but would run anyone fooling around outside in the dark, back over the fence. More than likely minus the seat of their underwear.
I would suspect with the "new growth" that our community has experienced in the past few years, with this it very well could be the real deal. So many people from different parts of the country bringing new things here, gangs may be one of them. Small communities are not excluded anymore from the mainstream.
Gang activity is always an unfortunate consequence of having so many immigrants migrating to an area for work, such as with our packing house. It has been going on for awhile now, and the police can't seem to do anything about it. My mother, who does live in a bad neighborhood, has gang graffiti on the back of her garage as well, but so far no break ins.
I would be interested to know what general neighborhood you live in. I live near the middle school, in a very nice neighborhood, and have had my car stereo stolen, and my kid's bike stolen twice. The police come take a report, but I think that's all that happens. If there is any follow up, I've yet to hear anything from it.
Property being stolen is one thing, but having someone banging on your house, or looking in your windows is serious business. I hope you have alerted the police to the activity you've brought to our attention. The police should be alerted so they can contact the owner of the house, and remove anyone who doesn't belong, because it sounds like the losers in question might be using it as a hangout.
I have yet to hear of any crooks around here who are brazen enough to pull a home invasion, but you never know when the first one will happen. We used to think our children were safe from murderers and rapists too.... and we learned that lesson the hard way. I hope you have some type of protection in your home, just in case some punks do work up the nerve, or do enough drugs, to actually try an invasion. I know that if they try it at my house they will wish they'd pick someone a little more vulnerable.
as for putting pics on the forum, try imagevenue, or some other photo hosting site.
Well, we had some more activity last night. 2 blocks away, another garage was spray painted with the same "456 Piru". Also, they windows were knocked out. S23246G, we do have guns in the house and I'm afraid that is why they are trying to get in! We had 3 vehicles parked outside the night we were hit and they only got into the truck with the hunting decals on it. I honestly believe they were looking for weapons and checked the house when they did not find them in the truck. Crazy thing is that they are in a gun safe and they would not be able to get them even if they did get in the house. I'm sure they would not know this, though. A couple of nights ago, I stopped 3 young men in my alley after dark. One was wearing a red hooded sweatshirt (Piru colors). I questioned them about the grafiti and told them they were wearing gang colors. They were actually very nice about the whole thing and used manners. I feel terrible about pointing fingers, but honestly would like to see our alley clear of foot traffic after dark. I know I do not have a right to control this, but come on. Why are there school aged boys walking the streets (constantly) all night on school nights anyway? I tried attaching a photo, we'll see if it works!
Gang activity is always an unfortunate consequence of having so many immigrants migrating to an area for work, such as with our packing house. It has been going on for awhile now, and the police can't seem to do anything about it. My mother, who does live in a bad neighborhood, has gang graffiti on the back of her garage as well, but so far no break ins.
I would be interested to know what general neighborhood you live in. I live near the middle school, in a very nice neighborhood, and have had my car stereo stolen, and my kid's bike stolen twice. The police come take a report, but I think that's all that happens. If there is any follow up, I've yet to hear anything from it.
Property being stolen is one thing, but having someone banging on your house, or looking in your windows is serious business. I hope you have alerted the police to the activity you've brought to our attention. The police should be alerted so they can contact the owner of the house, and remove anyone who doesn't belong, because it sounds like the losers in question might be using it as a hangout.
I have yet to hear of any crooks around here who are brazen enough to pull a home invasion, but you never know when the first one will happen. We used to think our children were safe from murderers and rapists too.... and we learned that lesson the hard way. I hope you have some type of protection in your home, just in case some punks do work up the nerve, or do enough drugs, to actually try an invasion. I know that if they try it at my house they will wish they'd pick someone a little more vulnerable.
as for putting pics on the forum, try imagevenue, or some other photo hosting site.
-- Edited by S23246G at 12:33, 2007-12-04
Oh yea right S233246G it's not like when those Europeans came here they did not bring crime and corruption with them. Most of those who came over behind Columbus where criminals on the run from Europe. And then we had the Irish, Italian mobs who do have great strong holds even today in crime. I think it is unfortunate theat some people just will not take all things into consideration about crime, like unemployment, depression, and other injust acts for equality. The fact that in the original statement the only two things that pointed to some kind of identifacation of said perpetror (s) was given at the point of who was seen running from the mail box (M/F) and even race was given. It is not justified to point a finger at those who work at the packing house ( oh yea there is a very diverse work force at the packing house from the top down,they may have all made a contribution to the great rise of criminal activity here) get a grip!! In this country can a good neiborhood be found and trusted , crime in different neighborhoods are just labled crime different for some people even when it hurts a community, (remember ENRON,Marhta Stewart,ect...) and even treated different but it is still a crime. And we don't point fingers then.
This is just not the time to lable or point the finger at anyone group or place of employement for people who do wrong. Before the immagration issue became a hot topic this same thing happened during the great depression when people did what ever to get bye. Crime was up then and it's up now, funny how unemployement and low wages is as common now as it was then.
What happen was not right but to throw out wild open statements like what was written at the begining of the letter does not help out in the great big picture. Gang activity is not always or does not always have to be mentioned with immagration. The sirens of ACPD have been ringing around here for a long time and yes they don't get a lot done about it but we should not give them any more misguided prejudicial thoughts, they already have enough as it is.
Just to update you, I found that my Christmas lights in the front of the house were also switched off last night. Weird thing is that someone would have had to really look for this switch. I know both the security light in back and the Christmas lights in front were on when I went to bed, but not when I woke up. Cops told me it was nothing to worry about, but try telling my kids that. Just so you know, I found out today that two weeks ago a man was taken into police custody in my neighborhood. Just to keep CALLUS happy, I will not mention his race because someone might automatically label him an "immigrant". According to my neighbors, he was going door to door asking for a ride. Supposedly, he had been down 8th and 9th street before hitting 3rd street. If that was a fact, I'd say he walked a long ways looking for said "ride". My opinion, he was checking to see if people were home. When he was picked up by 4 cop cars, he was on the porch of an employee of the local police department. I spoke to a resident of Timerlane yesterday and found that there were recent burglary attempts in their area, as well. The cops told me this morning that we do not have "real gangs" in this town. They claimed they were all just wanna-be's. Then the officer corrected himself and said that they did have some legitimate gang shootings reported on the East side of town where he lived. I don't know about you, but I'd say attempting to enter someone's house and spray painting graffiti on buildings counts as legitimate gang activity to me. Personally, I do not care what race they are or where they work. All I know is that they are dangerous and causing my neighborhood grief.
You know, I keep coming back to the statement made by Callus. It really bothers me. You mentioned unemployment, depressions, immigration, and discrimination as issues which plague our city. I agree that all of these are contributing factors to problems in Ark City. However, if I was to vote on the #1 issue which brings the most crime, gang activity and grief to families it would be the drug issue. I am sure that every family in this city has been touched by this problem in one form or another. Either they have had family members dealing with a personal drug problem, or have been robbed or threatened by someone with a drug addiction. The drugs are color blind and know no social class. I am sure even the wealthiest families in this town have been effected like the poorest. Granted, they may have different means to deal with the problems. Now, back to the gang issues and the mentioning of immigration. The drug problem was already here before these two came to be. It was already out of control and growing. Question on everyone's mind is "are the immigrants coming to this city contributing to this problem?" As far as the gangs are concerned, "are they a product of immigration or the drug problem or both?" Honestly, I HAVE heard of gang members who were not immigrants, but have NEVER heard of gang members who were not drug addicts. Am I wrong? From what I have learned about addiction, it can drive a "good" person to do "terrible" things including: rob, steal, kill, sell their bodies and join gangs. I am certain that if one was to ask themselves "why" five times to find the root of my neighborhood's problems, drugs would be there in the formula. I am sure it is a common denominator in a lot of neighborhood problems in this day and age.
Gang activity is always an unfortunate consequence of having so many immigrants migrating to an area for work, such as with our packing house. It has been going on for awhile now, and the police can't seem to do anything about it. My mother, who does live in a bad neighborhood, has gang graffiti on the back of her garage as well, but so far no break ins.
I would be interested to know what general neighborhood you live in. I live near the middle school, in a very nice neighborhood, and have had my car stereo stolen, and my kid's bike stolen twice. The police come take a report, but I think that's all that happens. If there is any follow up, I've yet to hear anything from it.
Property being stolen is one thing, but having someone banging on your house, or looking in your windows is serious business. I hope you have alerted the police to the activity you've brought to our attention. The police should be alerted so they can contact the owner of the house, and remove anyone who doesn't belong, because it sounds like the losers in question might be using it as a hangout.
I have yet to hear of any crooks around here who are brazen enough to pull a home invasion, but you never know when the first one will happen. We used to think our children were safe from murderers and rapists too.... and we learned that lesson the hard way. I hope you have some type of protection in your home, just in case some punks do work up the nerve, or do enough drugs, to actually try an invasion. I know that if they try it at my house they will wish they'd pick someone a little more vulnerable.
as for putting pics on the forum, try imagevenue, or some other photo hosting site.
-- Edited by S23246G at 12:33, 2007-12-04
Oh yea right S233246G it's not like when those Europeans came here they did not bring crime and corruption with them. Most of those who came over behind Columbus where criminals on the run from Europe. And then we had the Irish, Italian mobs who do have great strong holds even today in crime. I think it is unfortunate theat some people just will not take all things into consideration about crime, like unemployment, depression, and other injust acts for equality. The fact that in the original statement the only two things that pointed to some kind of identifacation of said perpetror (s) was given at the point of who was seen running from the mail box (M/F) and even race was given. It is not justified to point a finger at those who work at the packing house ( oh yea there is a very diverse work force at the packing house from the top down,they may have all made a contribution to the great rise of criminal activity here) get a grip!! In this country can a good neiborhood be found and trusted , crime in different neighborhoods are just labled crime different for some people even when it hurts a community, (remember ENRON,Marhta Stewart,ect...) and even treated different but it is still a crime. And we don't point fingers then.
This is just not the time to lable or point the finger at anyone group or place of employement for people who do wrong. Before the immagration issue became a hot topic this same thing happened during the great depression when people did what ever to get bye. Crime was up then and it's up now, funny how unemployement and low wages is as common now as it was then.
What happen was not right but to throw out wild open statements like what was written at the begining of the letter does not help out in the great big picture. Gang activity is not always or does not always have to be mentioned with immagration. The sirens of ACPD have been ringing around here for a long time and yes they don't get a lot done about it but we should not give them any more misguided prejudicial thoughts, they already have enough as it is.
You should go back and re-read my earlier post. Nowhere in my post did I alledge that the perpetrators of these acts worked at the packing house. In my experience, it is usually the family members of the hard working immigrants who have moved to an area to find work that get involved in crime and gang activity.
Your history lesson doesn't change the fact that what I said is completely true. Facts are neither misguided, or prejudicial, or racist (because we all know that's what you were thinking)... they are just facts.
Look back at the article posted in the Immigration thread about how packing house towns have been changed by immigration. Then maybe you can write to the author and tell them all about the pilgrims, etc etc. I'm sure you know more about it than any of us do.
Now, on to more important thing...
Motherof2, if I were you, I would request more patrol of your alley and neighborhood, and I would pull a shotgun out of mothballs and keep it handy (and loaded with 00 Buck) by the bed. And educate yourself on use of force law, and the new Castle Doctrine, just in case you have to defend yourself or your family. Anyone hates to think of having to take a life, but if it comes down to the life of some scumbag gang banger, or that of one of your family, you will wish you had the ability to make that decision, instead of leaving it in the hands of the criminal scum who have broken into your house. A loaded shotgun is a good negotiating tool.
Has anyone noticed the graffiti on the ceramic shop across from Phil-Stop? It continues down the street East on stop signs, etc. If you follow that line back west, it comes to my house and then stops. I do have my suspicions about a household of young boys. Heard rumor they may be moving to Winfield. I'll keep my fingers crossed. Oh, by the way, I do have a dog and a loaded gun by the bed. I am an accomplished hunter and would have no problems using it if it comes to that. Hope not...
"I would suspect with the "new growth" that our community has experienced in the past few years, with this it very well could be the real deal."
"Gang activity is always an unfortunate consequence of having so many immigrants migrating to an area for work, such as with our packing house."
Well, I guess I'll take the bait... Usually I just keep silent & let you all slug it out. But, as I am sometimes prone to do, I let things get to me. No doubt, people shoud not be out vandalizing other people's property. It's wrong. From your writing, SG & Elee, you are not Black or Hispanic. I am. I grew up in the S. Eastern parts of the U.S.A. during the '60's. Saw a lot, & experienced a lot more. I have forgiven & moved on. Too bad, to hear you both say what you've said. Then, Elee, to quote a D.O.J. report....hope we're all old enough to know you can't believe everything you get on the internet. Stuff written by bureacrats on my dime. Maybe then the D.O. J. report is true. I don't know. Amazing how when we have a problem, we begin to point fingers...
I just know it wasn't too many years ago, my old grandpa endured this same thing the Mexicans are enduring now. Sure, they should NOT be here illegaly.
I said all that to say, that more than just "immigrants" & "new growth" are capable of writing graffiti. (to say, "it's not the immigrants who are working,it'stheir families" is a cop out...semantics....
When you find out who did it, you both should come back on this forum & apologize. Somehow, I don't think you will.
Well, back to my silence....................zzzzzzzz.
Get yourelf a digital game camera, buy a good one that will take pictures in the dark by ambient light without a strobe flash. Find a good location and hide it discretely, the day after some questionable activity load and save your pictures. I have been meaning to do the same ever since a neighbor killed, beheaded, and tossed a rabbit on my porch last summer. Without evidence the acpd is no help, in fact things are almost to point we need to present the evidence and take it from there. I know who presented my family with the rabbit, do you suppose he would admit to his deeds?
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ABC, I do have security cameras and I am installing them. I'm with you. If we want these people caught, we will have to give the cops some help. That's a pretty sick thing to do to a rabbit. A friend of mine had a rabbit stolen not too long ago. What color was it?
knightsrules1 wrote: When you find out who did it, you both should come back on this forum & apologize. Somehow, I don't think you will.
If and when we find out who is the offender.....I will be the first to apologize if it is someone who is not affiliated with the gang before mentioned. You can take that to the bank! I am very sorry if you are offended by the comments written here, I hear many comments on TV and radio about the bloodlines of my people (native american) who were also looked down upon. However I choose to not be lumped in a package with the criminals involved in my bloodlines, I know I am NOT one of those criminals...therefore I don't take offense..I KNOW there are many of my people that are not squeaky clean, I am not going to take responsiblity and feel responsible for them who do others ill. I WILL applogize if the offender turns out to be someone other than who is suspected. I give my word......until then I can believe what I see....and what those I trust say. I believe you motherof2.....good luck on catching your offender......
Elee, you bring up a good point. My husband is 1/2 Hispanic and therefore so are my kids. Personally, our family has never felt discriminated against and do not take offense to those who mention Hispanics in an ill way. We, too, know that we are not who they refer to.
By the way, it appears there are two groups now participating in the graffiti. The ceramic shop has been hit again. They x'd out the old gang name and put up some one else's.
Pointing the finger at the immigrant and minority population of the community is one of the most disrespectfu and ignorant (I'm talking about the denotative meaning of ignorant, not using it as an insult) ideas I have heard passed around in a while. As I am most likely one of the younger members of these forums who reads the posts quite a bit but rarely responds, I can say from first hand experience with young members of the community that the minority population is not the problem. Gangs and violence transcend the bounds of race, especially with today's youth who tend to be more accepting of diffrent ethnicities.
All of that being said, the majority of trouble makers within Ark City seem to be teens who do not have a sense of direction or whose parents are not in control with their child. The majority of these trouble makers turn out to be white, not that it actually matters. Trying to place the blame of the problem to a specific group of people is not going to change anything about the problem, there will still be these gangs around. As to whether or not these people are really members of the actual gang or just copycats, it does not make a diffrence. What they are doing is wrong and should not be tolerated.
I've seen a lot of people try and make the ACPD a scapegoat for some of the problems within the community, so I'm just going to make my stand about it here as it has been mentioned in this thread, but feel free to cross-apply it to all other threads in this forum where people blame police action (or lack there of) for problems. The ACPD is providing a public service to everyone in this community, and as all of the officers are members of this community, they are doing their best to solve the problems. Just because it appears that no action is being taken does not mean that the police are not doing anything. It's not like they can just go knocking down doors of neighborhoods and question everyone about every problem, there are certain procedures which have to be followed. Along with these procedures come other duties which they must fulfill, forcing them to place priorities for each and every case. Sure there are ways that they could imploy which would allow them to get answers a lot quicker, but then they would be breaking the law and would be no better than the criminals which they catch. To sum this rant all up, it may not appear tht something is being done, but it is. Right now we can only do the best we can to help solve the problem, and that includes giving our police force the support and respect that they deserve.
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Hi blah, let me introduce myself as a gang member, i'm a member of a gang that finds respite in the efforts and actions that certain people and/or groups of people take in their efforts to impose their will on hard working, decient people. My gang is tired of being encroached upon within OUR territory.
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Knightrules1, I am sorry if you were offended by my comments, but that makes them no less true. My education, training and experience all say that when immigrants move to an area in large numbers, crime rates and gang activity increase. I'm sorry if that is offensive to you. It is not meant to be.
Think about it like this... Just because I am a white male, between 35 and 55, I don't get offended when people say that most serial killers are white males, between 35 and 55 years of age. I don't get offended, because it is a proven fact, just as what I said is. I also don't get offended because I don't think of myself as the poster child for white males between 35 and 55; nor do I think of white male serial killers as being indicative of all white males age 35 to 55. You should not feel as though everyone of your race is indicative of how you are seen, or how you are thought of, just as your actions should not be indicative of everyone of your race. WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS. There are bad people of every race and color, and they are all equally despicable.
That being said, I am sincere when I say that I mean no offense to anyone, of any race. Facts are just facts. I, for one, try to always take people on an individual basis. There are lots of scumbags around here, be they white, brown, black or purple... but there are just as many, if not more, good hearted, honest people of the same colors.
It always comes back to the race card. Ok, here are the facts as I know them... The people caught by fellow neighbors stealing mail were man and woman both white. (I believe this is a serious Fed Offense?) The man caught checking my doors was Hispanic. We have no idea who is doing the graffiti or trying to break into my house. Might not even be the same person. However, I have my eyes on 3 boys (all black and high school aged) who are up and down my alley at all times of night. They have already started down the wrong road with petty crimes. May or may not have been them, but they are the only ones I have seen in the area. Also, just found out that one of them is "bad news" and "the biggest drug dealer in the high school". This was a quote from two high school girls I questioned the other day. So, we can all see that 3 different race of people are at work in my neighborhood. Also, not sure if you picked up on this, but the high school girl said ONE of the biggest drug dealers in the high school. How many are there? I am definitly home schooling my boys now!
All right, I can not keep my mouth shut anymore. Before the packing house opened, I was warned by many of my Hispanic friends that it would not be a good thing. They told me that they type of Hispanic people who the jobs would attract were not the people you want in your community. Some of these people warning me had actually come from Mexico (legally). Now you tell me, if they feel this way why wouldn't the other legal citizens feel the same? Do you want to know why I am afraid of them? If they are not "really" here, then how hard is it for the police to keep track of them? If they leave unsettled debts, how do you find them to get your money back? If they are already willing to live here illegally, then what other laws are they willing to break? If they were close to getting caught, wouldn't they just simply disappear? My mother in law commented the other day that she thought the Hispanic population was dwindling. However, she was judging by the numbers she sees in our church. Unfortunatly, she is wrong. I see more and more in town, but they are not the ones who attend church. It appears that the Hispanics who attend church are moving out and others are moving in. Anyone know why they are leaving? Perhaps they know more than we do.
Now, do I think they are responsible for what is going on in my neighborhood? I honestly do not think so. Could be wrong... I know I am a hypocrit as I just complained about people making this post a race issue. All I know is that the crime and drug scene was bad enough before they came and we do not need illegal citizens coming into our city making it worse. For the record, I welcome all legal immigrants with open arms, I just do not accept illegal immigration in any shape or form! I have found that most Hispanic citizens feel the same.
...And my son's bike just got stolen for the 3rd or 4th time in as many years. GOD, I hate this place. I can't wait to move outside the city limits.
I will never understand why some people think that that because they would rather sit around and draw welfare or get high and drunk all day, rather than go get a job, that they should just take things from other people who have worked hard to get them. My son actually raised the money himself for that bike, after the last one was stolen. Sure, he forgot to put it in the back yard, inside the fence, but should we really have to lock up anything we don't want stolen? Don't we have police that patrol our city? Shouldn't people respect other people's property? Well, it's obvious that many in our town do not respect other people's property, and would rather steal than get a job. I hope their kid enjoys the christmas present of my son's bike with our name engraved in it. Merry Christmas scumbag and scumbag's kid! Hope you enjoy it.
It would be worth the price of the bike (and the other bikes, AND my car stereo) to get my hands on the little cowardly scumbags who took them.
Here is the article I had previously posted in the illegal immigration part of this forum. I thought it would be good for some of you newbies to read it. I have emphasized some areas with blue font, but changed nothing in the article.
Meatpacking Remakes Rural U.S. Towns Sunday August 19, 2007 4:45 am ET By Roxana Hegeman, Associated Press Writer
Changes in Meatpacking Industry Remake Rural U.S. Towns in New Immigration Frontier
DODGE CITY, Kan. (AP) -- This is the home of Wyatt Earp and Bat Masterson, of Boot Hill and the Long Branch Saloon, of cattle drives, buffalo hunters and the romance of the American West. But that's the Dodge City of yesteryear.
Today, downtown has Mexican restaurants and stores more reminiscent of shops south of the border than Main Street Kansas. The city of 25,176 even has a new nickname: "Little Mexico."
Signs advertising "Envios a Mexico" -- retail outlets where workers send hard-earned wages back home to Mexico and other countries -- hang outside many Dodge City stores. Houses occasionally fly Mexican flags, whipped hard by the prairie winds.
Dodge City ... Cactus, Texas ... Fort Morgan, Colo. ... Postville, Iowa: For more than a hundred years, this region provided a bucolic idyll and a ready example of American life and values. Today, iconic farm towns struggle with a new economic model, one that requires a workforce that is poor and overwhelmingly Hispanic.
It's not easy. The immigrants who have flooded these communities are stretching schools and law enforcement. Still, at a time when other rural towns are slowly dying, Dodge City and meatpacking towns like it boast thriving economies.
"If these people can get past the gauntlet of the border, we welcome them here with open arms," said Ford County Sheriff Dean Bush, Dodge City's modern-day counterpart to Wyatt Earp.
But many of his fellow citizens seem lost. Randy Ford and his wife, Betty, have lived in Dodge City for 35 years. They no longer attend the city's Independence Day events. They can't understand what the singers -- Spanish crooners singing Latin favorites -- are saying.
"We don't go anymore because we don't want to be Mexican," he said. "We want to be American."
In Washington, the debate over immigration sometimes seems to be a clash of extremes. But here, in the wide-open spaces where one-dimensional economies stoke small towns, there is plenty of room for ambivalence.
HOW IT GOT THIS WAY
Just as the arrival of the Santa Fe Railroad here in 1872 brought white settlers to populate the dusty towns and farms of a fledging country, the relocation and consolidation of the meatpacking industry has transformed these icons of the American West. The result: diverse, multicultural communities that challenge breadbasket notions of wheat fields, white fences and even whiter demographics.
The transformation of the nation's meatpacking industry began in 1960 when plants began moving out of cities in favor of their livestock sources in right-to-work states like Kansas. The first big slaughterhouse came to Emporia in the 1960s, followed by plants near Garden City and in Dodge City in the 1980s.
For Dodge City -- famed as the "Queen of the Cowtowns" during its cowboy heyday -- the advent of the slaughter plants seemed a natural fit. Locals have long recognized that the odor of manure here is the smell of money.
"They are a major hub of business and economic activity and a huge employer," said Ted Schroeder, agricultural economist at Kansas State University. "You can't go into those communities without sensing the presence and importance of those large economic facilities. Everything around there is either working with, complementing or part of that industry."
Eventually, mom-and-pop meatpackers were swallowed up by giants like Tyson Foods Inc., Cargill Meat Solutions Corp., Swift & Co. and National Beef Packing Co.
Their massive slaughter plants today routinely sit on the outskirts of rural towns. Huge feedlots stretching at times beyond the horizon now dot the wind-swept prairie where buffalo once grazed.
When the wind blows just so, the stench can be overpowering.
WEIRD ECONOMICS
Arturo Ponce is a U.S. citizen now -- coordinator of the HIV/AIDS prevention program run by the United Methodist Mexican-American Ministries. But it wasn't so long ago that he lived in a dilapidated trailer, just down the street from the Cargill plant in Dodge City.
This, he recently told his 14-year-old son, was where your parents got their start in Kansas. Here, he said, we crowded with 13 other people, four families, into three bedrooms.
"The beef industry is hard work," he said. He would come home to the trailer after each shift drenched in sweat from trying to keep up with the production line. He and his brother-in-law each lost 25 pounds those first three months on the job.
Now, almost 20 years later, the same trailer remains crammed with meatpacking workers coming to and from their shifts.
"It is a cycle that continues to repeat itself," Ponce said. "It is the same story."
The same story: Decent wages are a magnet for poor immigrants. And the wages paid by the meatpackers are decent, though far from extravagant.
The poverty rate in Dodge City plunged from 28 percent in 1980 to 14 percent in 2000. The poverty rate also was halved in Guymon, Okla., where there are an estimated 600,000 head of cattle on farms within 25 miles of the Seaboard Foods plant. But no one is living high on the hog, or cow. Dodge City's per capita income of $15,538 in 2000 may be an improvement, but it still remains far below the $21,587 national average.
In Cactus, the average per capita income has increased, but only to $8,340. Many who work at the Swift plant in Cactus live in former military barracks or in dilapidated rental trailer homes where yards contain little more than dirt, weeds and rocks.
"A lot of people are working, but working at jobs that don't pay well," said Don Stull, a University of Kansas anthropology professor and industry expert.
It's a hard life. In Cactus, the population is more than 90 percent Latino. There are no doctors or banks. Most plant workers deal only in cash, making them easy targets for theft. As much as 70 percent of offenses in town relate to alcohol use, especially on weekend nights when cars cruise up and down the main drag for hours.
Dodge City grapples with drug trafficking as narcotics flow in across the Mexican border through the Hispanic community. Gangs are a problem, too. But there is some equanimity in a town infamous for its lawless Wild West history.
"Dodge City has always been a pretty wild Western town," said Bush, the sheriff, "and there are days when it still lives up to its name."
GOING TO SCHOOL
Alfredo Villegas was clearly frustrated as he struggled to read an English-language book in a small newcomer class in the Dodge City high school. Villegas, 15, has been in the U.S. for five months and his father works at Cargill. "I don't know what I want to be," he said, in Spanish. "I may not even graduate." Just as he struggles with his new language, the public schools are struggling with the new students who have come with families drawn to work in the meatpacking plants. Educators have found themselves grappling with language barriers, academic gaps and poverty.
School districts once troubled with aging and tax-resistant local populations and dwindling school enrollments suddenly had to deal with the crowded classrooms that came with young migrant families; Villegas' modern, sprawling school was built five years ago as enrollments boomed.
Dodge City school officials count 23 different languages spoken by immigrant families, though the town is overwhelmingly Latino.
About 44 percent of students in Dodge City have limited English proficiency, prompting the district to establish a "newcomer program" for immigrant students geared heavily toward language acquisition, and includes help from Spanish-speaking assistants.
Just a decade ago, about 70 percent of Dodge City students were English-speaking whites. Today, that statistic has flipped: about 70 percent of the 5,800 students who now attend Dodge City school are Hispanic, with non-Hispanic whites now comprising nearly 25 percent.
There has been some success. An analysis of high school graduation rates at meatpacking towns nationwide shows improvement between 1980 and 2000: up 9 percent in Dodge City; up 5 percent in Cactus; up 6 percent in Crete, Neb.
Still, graduation rates were below state averages. For example, the graduation rate of slightly over 17 percent in Cactus, Texas, was still well below the state average of nearly 76 percent or the national average of more than 80 percent.
In Postville, Iowa, visitors to Cora B. Darling elementary and middle school are greeted with a world map adorned with red-and-gold foil stars pasted on Russia, Ukraine, Slovakia, Israel, Peru, Costa Rica, Mexico and other nations. Each designates the home country to some of the school's 370 students.
"The biggest population coming in right now are from Guatemala," Postville principal Charlotte Tammel said. "The challenge for us is finding teachers who speak all these languages."
Earlier this year, Dodge City teacher Debby Chipman gathered a small group of her second and third graders for an English lesson. Three of them speak Spanish, one boy speaks Vietnamese, the other boy speaks only Quiche, a Guatemalan dialect.
Even as the schools spread American culture to newcomers, the immigrants reciprocate, infusing their schools with their own cultures.
Everyone on the high school soccer roster in Liberal, Kan. -- players, coaches, trainers and managers -- is Hispanic, and during soccer season in the fall, the ambiance around a Liberal game takes aim at the American stereotype of sweater-clad soccer moms in SUVs.
Though Friday night football still matters in the heartland, soccer clearly has a home here. Shouts of "Aqui, aqui!" blend easily with "Here, here!"
CULTURE CLASHES
On the high plains of northern Colorado, the latest wave of settlers to hit Morgan County has some worried that the character of its largest city -- Fort Morgan, with its neat lawns decorated with gnomes or holiday ornaments -- would be altered beyond recognition.
Cargill operates a slaughterhouse here, employing about 20 percent of the town's population and processing 4,300 head of cattle per day. Morgan County saw its Hispanic population double in the 1990s -- jumping to 8,473 by the 2000 U.S. Census.
More than a century before the meatpackers consolidated and Cargill Inc. set up shop in Morgan County, Germans who had settled the Volga region of Russia arrived here after Czar Alexander II took away their autonomy and made them subject to the military draft.
"It's been a German town for a long time, every morning at 5 o'clock, 5 or 6 o'clock, it's like a cuckoo clock, German ladies out sweeping their sidewalks," said longtime resident Perry Roberts. "And now they're (immigrants) not mowing their lawn, and so they're trying to pass laws to get people to keep up their lawns and not park their car on them."
In 2004, community leaders and businesses began work to establish a group called OneMorgan County to help newcomers learn about health care services, community resources and law enforcement -- and to ease fears among longtime residents.
Postville, Iowa, had long been a meatpacking town, but the old HyGrade slaughterhouse had been shuttered for seven years when New York butcher and entrepreneur Aaron Rubashkin bought it in 1987.
The city has been in transition ever since.
A stream of Hasidic Jews soon followed, providing the executive staff to run the operation and the rabbis needed to slaughter animals in accordance with strict kosher rules.
The first wave of workers required to augment the locals on the payroll were eastern Europeans, immigrants from Bosnia, Poland, Russia and former Soviet Republics who had initially spent time in bigger East Coast cities before moving to Iowa.
But in the last decade, Hispanics have become the majority. The result is that a town that barely covers two square miles is home to people from 24 nationalities speaking 17 languages. In 1990, Postville's population was 1,472; now, it is estimated at more than 2,500, nearly 33 percent foreign-born.
Last year, councilman Jeff Reinhardt caused a stir by taking aim at two of the city's ethnic groups in a letter to the local newspaper. Without naming any group, his targets were clear.
"One group wants to isolate itself ... and wanting a different day for the Sabbath," he wrote. Another "sends money back to foreign countries and brings a lack of respect for our laws and culture, which contributes to unwed mothers, trash in the streets, unpaid bills, drugs, forgery and other crimes."
That's bigotry, cried local religious leaders -- but understandable, they said, in a time of wholesale change.
HERE TO STAY
Shift change at the National Beef complex in Dodge City, and Martin Rosas and his crew are passing out flyers at the entrance, recruiting colleagues to join a union. A plant security officer sits in a nearby vehicle, with a camera.
Rosas, secretary-treasurer of the United Food and Commercial Workers local, seeks a better deal for workers at the nonunion National Beef. "We can no longer witness this kind of treatment for our people," he said.
Rosas, 36, is himself a Mexican immigrant, and now a naturalized citizen. He has watched Dodge City grow more accepting of its Hispanic newcomers.
"We feel more welcome -- we feel at home now," he said.
And more willing to assert themselves.
In Cactus, Hispanics dominate politics. The town's population became predominantly Hispanic by the 1990s, and by the end of that decade, Hispanics began to be elected to the city council.
Now, all but one member is Hispanic.
"Without this plant I don't know what would happen," said Mayor Luis Aguilar, who slipped into the country illegally from Mexico 30 years ago, later became a U.S. citizen, and now owns the town's only grocery store, numerous rental properties and a 575-acre ranch.
Some immigrants come to the American prairie for the jobs, but end up staying for something else. Jose Flores, who calls himself a "Mexican hillbilly," never felt at home in Los Angeles. He was drawn to a meatpacking job in Dodge City because he wanted to raise his growing family in a small town.
When he arrived in 1987, the only Mexican-owned business in town was a secondhand store. Today the town brims with thriving Mexican shops; Flores owns a restaurant in nearby Spearville and a real estate office in Dodge City.
But Flores is most proud of his children. They've either gone on to their own successful careers or are in schools and colleges preparing for them.
"The packing house brought us here," Flores said. "But our families have surpassed that."
Associated Press reporters P. Solomon Banda in Fort Morgan, Betsy Blaney in Cactus, Steve Brisendine in Liberal and Todd Dvorak in Postville contributed to this report.
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If this is the direction this town is heading, I will be looking for a new town to call home.
3 nights ago, when the snow was still on the ground we had a set of foot prints that came from the back alley and went in between mine and my neighbors house in her yard. They stopped at her living room window and then cut across my yard and went to my front porch. Then they continued to circle around my house and went back to the alley again. Comparing them to my shoe print I would guess them to be a size 5-6 tennis shoe. I would assume this was a young person. Nothing seemed to be missing or damaged. S23246G, I live on 3rd street not too far off Kansas. I know you asked earlier. Did you file a police report on the bike? I hope you can catch them. There are some very selfish and weird people out there who would steal from a child. Possibly done by another kid! My question is, what are these young people doing out late at night anyway on a school night? Do we still have a curfew for youngins? Anyone know this info or have ages or time details? If there is one, I would have some ground with them. If I see them out walking my alley after curfew time, I could have the police pick them up. Then, perhaps the parents would be more aware of what's going on. I can remember when I was in high school that there was a curfew. I remember thinking how unfair it was. Funny how your opinion changes when you become a parent. Ha-ha! Another question for you all... Where do we get info on # of drug busts in Ark City this year?
S23246G, you bring up another good point. Let's do a little "legal" citizen bashing now! Yes, there are people who would prefer to sit around and draw welfare and get high all day. I just read a post in the Eagle about Oklahoma having a hard time filling the jobs that illegals left empty when they fled the state. If there is a true shortage of workers, then why does welfare exist? Quit freeloading!!! I can see assistance with daycare for single parents, but I believe that is where I would draw the line. Actually, I take that back. If the employers really wanted people to come to work, they would pay them what they are worth and provide daycare assistance themselves. If we just all hold out on the employers, they will have to do something. Way I see it, they have 3 choices: 1. close up shop 2. move production to Mexico or China 3. become a competetive employer and offer wages/benefits which people desire or need
Now, if everyone gets off of welfare and there are still jobs which need to be filled, then perhaps we should invite some "legal" citizens in. I hear it takes 8 years for a Mexican to get across the border the right way. What the heck? Another thing, if they come here legally on a work visa and work for a few months, why does that make them eligible for a Social Security check when they go back to their country? I thought Social Security was in jeopardy? Heard a good one yesterday. I understand many Americans are giving up their U.S. citizenship and then staying here to work illegaly. This way they do not have to pay income taxes. I'm thinking they may be on to something! If that doesn't make a point, I do not know what does!
I did report the theft of the bike to the police, and we did end up recovering the bike the very next day. When I say "we", I mean my son and daughter, and some neighbors. My son saw someone on his bike and followed them to the middle school, where they parked it. Then they called the police and waited for them to arrive, like I told them to, to avoid a confrontation. Well, the police didn't show up for awhile, and the kid got on the bike and rode away, so some neighbors in a vehicle followed her (yes.. a girl! I was surprised) until she ditched the bike and ran off. They all waited there with the bike until an officer showed up and released the bike to them.
also, to answer your question, Ark City does indeed have a curfew. I don't remember the specifics, but I think it was 10 or 11 pm on weeknights, and and hour later on weekends. It may have chaged since then though. You could call the PD, or check the ordinance books at the library if you want to know for sure. I would have the PD out every time you find something like that. If they get tired of you calling, then maybe they will try harder to catch whoever is doing it. And if they do catch someone, be sure to press charges, or you will send the wrong message to both the cops and the criminals.
I realize that this isn't gang activity, but it does speak to my earlier point that with immigration comes increases in crime.
These two articles appeared in the Traveler on the same day.
Two men charged in kidnapping
Suspects waited in car at Wal-Mart parking lot; claim it was a joke among friends.
By DAVID A. SEATON Traveler Staff Writer daseaton@arkcity.netTwo Ark City men were arrested Tuesday on aggravated kidnapping charges after they hid inside a parked car and waited for their victims to come out of Wal-Mart, according to police.
The men, Juan Carreto, 30, and Amarildo Estrada, 19, allegedly held a man and a woman at knifepoint and ordered them to drive to Riverside Cemetery, at 15th and Ash.
The male victim struggled to escape and fled on foot, receiving a knife wound to the hand. The suspects then crashed the car into the cemetery's stone wall and fled.
Police tracked at least one of the men to Meadowwalk apartments. Both confessed but told police that it was all a joke. The victims and the suspects appear to know each other quite well, Police Chief Sean Wallace said. All are from Guatemala.
"They claim it was a joke," Wallace said.
But the victims said they were never told it was a joke and one of them suffered a knife wound. Wallace said it's possible the men meant it as a joke but under state law, if the victims have reason to believe they are in danger, a crime has occurred.
The men were both charged with aggravated battery, aggravated burglary and aggravated kidnapping. Carreto was also charged with reckless driving, leaving the scene of an accident, failing to report an accident and unlawful use of an identification card. Estrada also was charged with unlawful use of an identification card, according to reports.
Each are being held on a $22,000 bond.
Investigators worked the case from 8:30 p.m. to 4 a.m. this morning, Wallace said. The victims suspected their neighbors were involved and took police to Meadowwalk apartments.
Police saw a bicycle with similar tire treads to the one at Wal-Mart. They also matched a shoe found at the suspect's to shoe tracks found in the snow at the crash site.
Nothing was stolen and the victims were not sure why the kidnapping occurred, Wallace said.
"It could be that the way it ended, (the suspects) never had a chance to ask for anything," Wallace said.
He warned residents to be careful returning to their cars. Always check inside, he said, using a flashlight if necessary.
"It's a rare occurrence in Ark City," Wallace said. "But I tell my wife and my kids, 'look in your car,' and I do it."
It's a shame that Ark City is becoming a place where you have to worry about things like this. I have always cautioned my family to look in and around their vehicles when shopping in Wichita, but I never thought I'd have to say the same about Ark City. (Also, be sure to have your keys out and ready to open the door before getting to your car. You don't want to be standing around digging through a purse or pockets.)
Teen dies in Chestnut accident View pictures from the accident
From STAFF REPORTS
A teenager involved in the accident on East Chestnut Avenue Monday morning was pronounced dead at the South Central Kansas Regional Medical Center shortly after the one-vehicle crash.
Police identified the victim as Jose Sigala, 19, of Arkansas City. Sigala was the driver. Based on initial findings, officials suspect he was intoxicated. They have ordered an autopsy to learn more, Wallace said.
The other occupant, Leobrado Navarro, 26, of Arkansas City was flown by helicopter to a Wichita hospital. Police Chief Sean Wallace said Wednesday that Navarro was reportedly improving.
The crash occurred about 9:30 a.m. when emergency officials were called to a car on fire.
Before that, however, someone spotted the vehicle, a 1987 Mustang doing donuts at Kansas Avenue and the U.S. 77 Bypass, Wallace said. An Ark City patrol officer went to that location and passed the car, which was headed south. The officer was heading north and clocked the car at a high rate of speed. The officer turned and followed, Wallace said.
When the police car came upon the scene, the car was in flames. The victims had been ejected from the car, but the officer could not reach them because of the flames, Wallace said.
Wallace said Wednesday that investigators had pieced together how the car crashed. Evidence suggests the car was moving at about 80 mph, or faster, and tried to pass another car, as it headed toward the underpass.
The driver lost control, causing the car to spin backward. It struck a curb, went airborne, struck a concrete pylon, slammed into a retaining wall on the south side of the roadway, and then ran into the concrete edge of the underpass. That's probably went it ignited on fire, Wallace said.
The car was knocked back into the roadway to its final resting place, which is probably when the passengers were ejected, Wallace said.
Police are asking that witnesses in a dark colored truck that was driving at the underpass at the time of the accident contact police: 441-4444.
And while it is sad that someone lost their life, it was all due to their own bad decisions (ie: Drinking and driving, and running from the cops) and total disreguard for the law (much like the guy last week in Winfield). Do you think they gave any thought to who else they might hurt or kill by their actions? What if you or someone you loved had been driving in their way, or walking on that sidewalk? At least they managed not to take out any innocent bystanders.