Illegal immigrants

Patrick · Senior Member

RE: Illegal immigrants

cbarr29 · Newbie

WOW I am so glad I ran across this blog~My husband & I thought we were all alone on this issue~!
we have a ton of insider info regarding some illegals here in Ark City we have expressed our concerns with a few people and it seems there is nothing anyone can do (or will do that is).
We don't have a problem with good people that come here legally from Another country that come here for a better life & Act appropriatly as well as follows our laws. However... the ones that come over here illegally and break our laws as well as try to get my teen daughter to get in their car with them (as my illegal neighbors have done)
and when they hoop and holler at the neighbor girls ages 11-16 calling them hotties & whistling at them ect; (cat calling them) as they have done on more then one occasion~!
As well as the other illegal things they do (that we have seen and heard with our own two eyes and ears)
Then YES...My husband & I have a problem with them!
Oh boy...How I could go on and on about what thet have done and do do...but it would take me forever!
Anyway...I am about to the end of my rope regarding this issue because it seems that no matter what...No one can or will step up to the plate and get tough on the illegals that shouldn't even be here in the first place as they are as stated...ILLEGAL to begin with!
How can we even feel safe in our own town/neighborhoods/homes when
illegals think they can commit crimes and then just take off and move some where else and get a new FAKE ID (& they do ...do this...~!!) I cannot say how I know they do this...but trust me ...I do know~!!
ANYWAY...What if anything can be done and why is no one doing anything?
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR SURE!
(& by the way...their ARE MANY Illegals working at Creekstone...I know this for a fact as well...I even know how much they pay for fake ID's or Fake Id's
They can also get fake SS Cards if they want too.
Does anyone know if this issue is dropped with the state as last I knew they had decided not to follow thru on tightening up the laws regarding the illegal immigration is this issue just going to be swept under the rug and ignored? hmm

wypall · Member

What about Creekstones HR department?!? Put the pressure on them .. GE is not mistakenly hiring Illegals... Illegal Immigration is actually declining with the faultering economy. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1846543,00.html?xid=feed-cnn-topics
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1811660,00.html

Instead laying blame and hate towards families that actually come over here to work hard and provide for the famililes and "LOOK & Sound Illegal" start putting some of your hate/anger towards the greedy corporations that are doing the hiring?!? I think they look alot more like you and me and speak English...but I think you might be dissappointed by the truth, and that is Hispanic workers actually do the job alot better/faster and for much less. Until Creekstone feels the pressure, you are really beating a deadhorse.

JakeTheHawk · Veteran Member

Illegal immigrants = bad, get rid of them

Legal immigrants = good, keep them

Does anything else really need said?

me2 · Veteran Member

To cbarr29.......have you tried calling immigration control? If you have evidence that they are illegal, maybe something can be done. Have you talked with the chief of police? If enough illegals are sought out in ac, maybe that would prompt ic to kansas. What I hate is when i find out i am friends with one and even though that person actually have some values, other than being illegal, kinda puts one in a dilemma.

blah · Senior Member

What do we do with the children of illegal immigrants who were born in the United States and therefore are legal citizens of the United States?

motherof2 · Senior Member

The State has let this one die. The police can not arrest or hold a person just for being an illegal immigrant. If a local or state law is broken, they can arrest them and put them in jail. Then they contact ICE and report their info. Sometimes ICE deports them, and sometimes not. It is entirely up to them. Unfortunately, the local police have their hands tied. The best we can do is keep reporting crime. Next, if you know an illegal is in custody, you should spread the word. Start a letter writing campaign to your politicians and let them know the person needs to be picked up. Tiahrt seems to be very good at following through.

I have met some hispanics who I'm pretty sure do not have legal docs. However, they are good people. They have told me about life in Mexico and some of their stories will make you cry. It makes it hard to say that some amnesty and citizenship is deserved.

The other day I was thinking about this subject and it dawned on me... If America can not secure it's borders and/or control who comes and goes, why can they not attack the people who are selling them their id's? I was told that it was not the hispanic people stealing identities. It is greedy Americans who are looking to sell them to the illegals. If they do not have the id's, they can not do much. I wonder how hard it would be to shut down this business? I'm sure there are laws already in place for this kind of crime. These id's could enable them to vote in our local and national elections. For that, we should all be outraged. Maybe we should all write in and say we want more pressure put on the law enforcement. We want to see some arrests made on those who sell the false papers.

JakeTheHawk · Veteran Member

blah wrote:

What do we do with the children of illegal immigrants who were born in the United States and therefore are legal citizens of the United States?

Keep them in an orphanage/foster care and ship their parents home.

blah · Senior Member

So we overload already crowded homes? Place children in worse situations than they are already living? Not to mention the emotional turmoil they would suffer from such an event, or for those who are heartless, the economic burden it would place on the government. Terrible idea. This is why immigration can't be a black and white issue, there are way too many gray places. Do you honestly prefer that policy over providing amnesty? Or are you just blindly following ideals which have been instilled into you without having given them much thought?

me2 · Veteran Member

Be nice, blah. Remember Jake is still young and experimenting with ideas.

hippie · Member

Deportation is the only answer and armed guards with permission to shoot on the border, we must stop this illegal problem, there are ways to do it legaly witch are fair

lagonda · Senior Member

Do you guys ever listen to yourselves?

It is the same kind of dumbass logic that got us into Viet Nam and Iraq.

OK so lookit: Put armed guards on the border with the right to shoot (to kill) and then what happens?

We ask them to kill violators.

The border guards start killing Mexican civilians and then Mexicans start shooting us, U.S. citizens are not safe from kidnapping or murder in Mexico, because the Mexicans can justify they are right in killing Americans because we kill them and then we have a war.

The government will never do it in the first place, because even though they are ignorant and stupid, they are not crazy.

Put american citizen children of illegals in an orphanage and deport their parents??

Give me a break.

Doesn't "anybody" know Kansas history?

The Kansans (Jayhawkers) raid Missouri and steal their horses and household goods and scurry across the border to hide in Kansas. The Missouri people put together Bushwhackers to avenge the injustices. It all escalates up to the point that Lawrence is burned to the ground, with the exception of one hotel. Thousands are eventually murdered and they all believe they have justification.

Tell the border guards to shoot mothers, fathers and children because they are illegally in our country?

Do yah think there might be anyone to get mad about the killings after it starts? do yah, huh?

Eventually the Mexicans would be killing us because we are not hispanic, and for no other reason. Just like Iraq. Just like Quantrill was killing Kansans. Its stupid.

JakeTheHawk · Veteran Member

blah wrote:

So we overload already crowded homes? Place children in worse situations than they are already living? Not to mention the emotional turmoil they would suffer from such an event, or for those who are heartless, the economic burden it would place on the government. Terrible idea. This is why immigration can't be a black and white issue, there are way too many gray places. Do you honestly prefer that policy over providing amnesty? Or are you just blindly following ideals which have been instilled into you without having given them much thought?

Maybe they should have thought about their childs well-being before making it.

And yes, I've actually thought out what I post before I hit submit. Handy feature, that there.

blah · Senior Member

Maybe the reason their child was born here is because they were thinking of its well-being.

Lagonda: I really disagreed with that comment as well, but rationalized that a response would fall upon deaf ears. If you're willing to purpose an idea like that, then all hope for reason is lost.

lagonda · Senior Member

The reason I responded is it is not the first time I've heard the comments. I listen a lot to talk radio and disagree with about 2/3 of what they say, regard 1/2 of what they say as pandering to ratings and about 1/3 of what they say as job security. (ie:, opposing McCain so they will have a job after November)

Then there is the government: The idiots in D.C. are wasting money on border security fences and threatening yet another war with Iran?!!! when we have 2 wars going on already. They are trying hard (although the FAA prohibits it) to fly UAV's to monitor the actions of law abiding citizens on american soil and listening to U.S. soldiers sex-talk with their wives under the guise of "Homeland Security", whatever the hell that is. TV soap opera Jericho was not far off with the exception of the big bombs. I'm checking my watch about every five minutes to see when George W Bush is no longer President.

Sadly, wacky ideas like kidnapping the children and deporting the parents are not just wacky ideas. it is being done today and it is one of the many Bush legacies. One of the things I particularly detest is the policy of taking people who have lived from infancy to adulthood in the US and have grown up as americans and deporting them to countries that they have never seen except as infants.

There is no end to the cruelty that the Bush admin has gone to, to avoid ever making diplomatic negotiations.

This whole Mexico thing could be solved with 3 weeks of diplomatic negotiations. Something like extending the mexican Seguro Social to pay for health care in the US and making the Mexicans pay Mexican income taxes. Yo know, most of them pay US income tax. US citizens don't pay taxes in Mexico.

I like your quote:

Here's another one

"Every single word spoken to describe the future will be exist in the past." - Lagonda

me2 · Veteran Member

Now where ever would you, in the Republican party, find diplomacy? Yes, I am being sarcastic! Vote McCain and you will have more the same.

hippie · Member

me2 wrote:

Now where ever would you, in the Republican party, find diplomacy? Yes, I am being sarcastic! Vote McCain and you will have more the same.

I would rather have more of the same than nothing, and that is where Obama is headed

Soonerrenegade · Newbie

So, if the local police and county sheriff's deputys are not authorized to enforce Federal laws, why does Cowley County have a drug task force? Those are Federal laws. Kidnapping is another Federal offense. The legal age for purchasing alcohol and tobacco are also Federal laws. These ARE enforced by local, county and state officers. Officers cannot pick and choose which laws they will or will not enforce. They are supposed to enforce them all. As for the poster who's child was turned away by Jefferson school for Pre - K is precisely why my children, and I hate to say this as a product of the Ark City school system until 1997, my children will not be attending Ark City schools. They can't even keep our children safe anymore! I'm almost tempted to move back to Ark City to make a run for elected office.

In this time when the promise of change got Barak Obama elected to the White House, I think change is exactly what Ark City needs! The town I am proud to say I was raised in needs change in the way our (even though I am currently in Ponca I still count myself as an Arkansas Citian) schools are run. Commissioner McDonald's children are now attending Winfield schools because of the recent shooting threat. When I was attending Ark City High School we did not have to worry about if someone was going to start shooting. The worst violence we had in the school was the occasional one on one fight, which honestly most of those were started over matters that seem trivial now. But we weren't worried about getting jumped in the parking lot! Honestly, how many of you feels that our High School in particular has gone downhill since Jerry Hollis was run out, and let's not kid ourselves that's what happened. You don't retire from one school district to go work at another. Dr Sjoberg tried but the school board wouldn't back him up. Now we have this principal in, who it seems is letting our beloved school, most of us our alma mater, descend into a gangland.

This town needs ordinances passed that will curb the local illegal immigration problem. It needs commissioners who will take the will of the people to the state if needed. We need ordinance's that state if you own property and are found to be harboring illegals on it, you will be fined severely. The local Police officers need to have the handcuffs taken off of them so that they may place those cuffs on the law breakers! And by that I mean all law breakers, whether they be illegals, drug dealers, perverts, or thieves.

I remember all the promises when Future Beef built the packing plant. "It will bring many new jobs to Cowley County." And then when the property was bought by Creekstone the same promise. Turns out these were not true. Both companies filled those jos with people from outside the community, both illegal and legal immigrants along with citizens (mostly immigrants though). Bottom line is everyone, we need change at all levels: local, county, state, and Federal (Congress). We, the people, need to take back this town, county, state and nation from all special interest groups, such as the ACLU, La Raza, and to be even handed the NRA (even though I agree with the NRA's founding premise, to protect the Second Amendment, they have gotten out of hand somewhat). This is an election year for school board and city commission. This is the year that Ark City can get the change it needs to get back to where it was, minus the economic problems (ie. Total closing, the state hospital and the Crayola factory closing.), ten+ years ago. Citizens of Ark City, it is up to you to make change happen at the city level.

Stand up and fight good people of Ark City! This is your town, not the law breakers' town! If your elected officials are not willing to do the bidding of the people, then fire them at the ballot box. You made them and you can break them! They work for you! Remind them of that fact!

God Bless America! And God Bless Ark City!

Cisco Kid · Member

I truly enjoyed reading all the replies under this topic. First an observation or two if I may:

(1) The passion expressed by all participating gives me tremendous hope for the future of Ark City. With citizens like you, an answer will be found and the city will be better for the trail being faced and the committement put forth by each of you. Thank you!

(2) I'm not much on the structure of local government especially that of Ark City, but what gives with the "salary" being paid to a city commissioner; $75 a month?

(3) Mr. Patrick McDonald, to you sir, a sincere tip of the hat! Though I may not agree with all of your positions, your willingness to embrace the concerns of the good folks of Ark City must be recognized, I applaud you!

On the issue of illegal immigrants specifically, it looks as if this is a hands off subject by the Federal and State governments, which leaves the counties and cities on their own. But to wage a war against this unstoppable wavy of change alone would destroy the city. If the issue is just to inforce justice against people whos' only known crime is being illegal, then is it really a fight worth fighting? If we are willing to look beyond this classification, we will see an immigrant and then a human being. Ask yourself, would you be willing to be a law breaker or labled an illegal if it ment being able to provide for your family? The conditions these immigrants find themselves in now are deplorable, yet better than where they came.

As for "them" stealing the prized job at the meatpacking plant, come on tell me that is what you planed to do as a career? And as for the next big manufacturing operation to come on board as the city's savior, it will be just more of the same. So, facing reality might just be the answer to everyone's problem. Instead of regulating, governing and outright disrespecting the Mexican immigrant, why not embrace it and work collectively to build a new Ark City focused on the benefits of immigration? The needs are many and Ark City should take on the challenge of meeting these needs to help their new neighbors...like it or not.

So what has been viewed as the problem if fact could be the answer. Just imagine if you will the federal support that would pour into the coffers of Ark City. Community affairs is be on the hearts and minds of those in D.C., and as has been the case to date with A.C., most cities would rather ignore the situation or just allow it to errode their city and turn their head. You folks on this board should meet with Mr. McDonald to establish an Ark City Blue Ribbon Think Tank on Immigration Development and head off to Dodge City for a Q & A session.

The good people of Ark City are just the type of Kansans to meet his challenge, with effort and committment focused on he well being of these people an example for all to follow will be laid out. Think about it.

longtimer · Veteran Member

The solution to this problem is so easy. The reason illegals come here is for jobs. Take the jobs away and they'll leave. Start fining any company that knowingly hires an illegal alien $1,000,000 per illegal and they'll start checking credentials during the hiring process.

This idea started to gain some traction until the powers that be in Topeka discovered that gee, the illegals will work for nothing. I'll have to pay a living wage if we kick them all out which would drive down profits. All of a sudden it was OK to have illegals working to save money. Now the state elected leaders give it a lot of indignant lip service but no action because their wealthy buddies want them to leave it alone.