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Should we pave our roads in town? [5 vote(s)]

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The Long Road Ahead


Does anyone in town get tired of the brick roads shaking our vehicles to pieces?  When will any of the road money that we voted for actually get used for road improvements?  As I understand it the last road bond issue bought some really nice lamps, flower pots and park benches downtown.  Will this new bond issue for road improvement we voted for be going down the straight and narrow or be wide and liberal in its use?

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Memory serves there was a big issue the last time anyone made a mention about paving over a brick road.  The majority of our city, or so it would seem, prefers the brick streets for the nastalgic feel.  Also, factor in that the last maintenance the brick streets required was right about the time they were set, they fit the budget.  I'm all for paved roads as the bricks have torn up more than one of my vehicles with the shaking and vibrations and not to mention theyre death traps once theres any precipitation or snow.  Then theres the fact they stay ice or snow covered for extended periods...but I could ramble on all day.  For my money its paved.  Just my $0.02.



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I think it's time people in this country started showing fiscal restraint.  We are in the middle of an economic downturn, so this is not the time to start throwing money at unnecessary things.  You could argue that this could be a modern-day New Deal project, but I think it is a bad idea.  We need to start being more careful with the public coffers, not using them on aesthetics (downtown redevelopment, school bond, etc.).

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Fiscal restraint is exactly what people shouldn't be doing during an 'economic downturn', that is surely the last thing the government wants you to do. When people stop spending money it only decreases confidence in the market and prolongs the recession. As another bonus, we are roughly 6-10 months away from coming out of this recession depending upon which economist you talk to, so in realty at least opening up talks and taking bids for such a job would not be such a bad idea, heck you might even be able to schedule the job for pretty cheap due to the perceived economic crisis.

Also, a recent Traveler article alluded to the fact that Ark City has actually taken in more money from sales-tax revenue than years past, and that statistic was before counting holiday shopping, not necessarily the gloom and doom economic situation that the media would like to feed you.

I guess this is a good time for a mini rant at the media, but these days the media is negative. We live in a state fear, where the media practically instills fear into us the viewers, you can't watch a news channel for 5 mins without hearing about a shooting, murder, etc. Other countries news reports aren't like this, and it's sad that they do all this fear mongering just to boost their ratings.

Back on track now, I think that it's time to replace those brick roads. Honestly the nostalgic feeling is lost when you ram your car through the 85 million pot holes and dips that occur because of the brick (especially the transition from paved to brick, think the chestnut underpass before it was redone) not to mention the 3 extra weeks that bricks are covered in ice because you can't put down salt or ice remover since it eats the brick. Another point to note is that these days brick isn't really that nostalgic. Smooth, flat, and nice looking paved roads really does have a better look than the worn down and unkempt brick streets.

As for the time frame, it wouldn't be too bad of an idea to get a group together and start shopping around for someone to undertake the project, you might be able to get them contracted now for less money than they would do it for in a better economy, and such a project probably wouldn't be started on for a good year at the very least.

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Rather than paving the brick roads, I'd rather see the huge dips that destroy your bumpers if you go faster than 10mph over than.

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I like the brick. I kinda wonder how old they are. How many hands did it take to lay that much brick in Ark City? They may be a little rough, but I still like them.

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I think heavy and wasteful government spending has led us to our current situation. Throwing money at something that is unnecessary won't help us. Maybe we shouldn't have bought pretty new street lamps and redone our sidewalks downtown. Hmmm. Or think about this. The school bond issue cost 30 million dollars. There are approximately 10,000 working people in Ark City. That's 3,000 dollars a person. Out of their pockets. For community improvements. I think 3,000 dollars in each persons pocket would help revitalize the economy. Plus, people would spend on this on what they want, which is essential for a free market economy to work propery. Just my opinion.

-- Edited by Yossarian at 09:51, 2009-01-21

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I think it keeps people from going too fast.

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I think the issue with the brick streets isn't so much that they are paved with brick, it's that they are never maintained when needed. They are in a bed a sand. Sand moves when vibrated. Over time you end up with a pretty uneven street surface (drive the section of 1st from Fifth Ave to Chestnut @ anything over 5 MPH). The brick needs to be pulled, the bed leveled & compacted and the brick reset. Even if just a little was done at a time it would help.

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Im not sure paving the roads means you necessarily have to remove the dips, at one end I could see where if you wanted to take on a project like this you might as well go all out, but I can all see what Right is saying with the speed thing. I think you could find a happy medium with minor dips and only fixing the major problem areas (first block of North A street anyone?). God knows as fast of some like to drive on brick it would be scary to see what happens on pavement, although I'm sure police scanning those areas might pick up some too, I can't remember that last time I saw a police vehicle on a side street that wasn't at a house..

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Good point, ILBR, not that it doesn't stop some from hauling *** down the streets. It drives me nuts to see people speeding down the side streets in residential neighborhoods. Even if the speed limits are 30, I think that is way too fast. Do people not realize that at any given time a child could run out in front of them? Bout 6 months ago, a little girl that looked about 2 or 3 slipped away from her momma. I saw her disappear behind the car and knew she was on her way to the middle of the street. Now imagine the consequences if I had been going 90 to nothing and/or not paying attention?

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