State targes illegal imigration

Elee · Veteran Member

State targes illegal imigration

dddfan · Veteran Member

Take a look at Oklahoma's HB-1804. Looks like Kansas should get going with something simular, or maybe just like it.

S23246G · Senior Member

I can tell you why... because the Traveler Editor is a Pro Amnesty, pro Immigration, and Anti-gun liberal, and rarely prints the other side of the story on any of these issues.

Greenpiece · Veteran Member

S23246G wrote:

I can tell you why... because the Traveler Editor is a Pro Amnesty, pro Immigration, and Anti-gun liberal, and rarely prints the other side of the story on any of these issues.

I agree with you on this statement for sure!!!!

blah · Senior Member

Seems like Wichita Eagle has taken the article down or made the link inactive. Can anyone recall the article title so that I can look it up? Thanks

Also, despite being liberal I think the papers have a duty to portray both sides of the issue, just as it is our duty to get both sides of the story (ie reading/watching both left and right wing news). It is a true travesty to political thought and education when you can't trust a news source to give you the whole truth due to their slant.

motherof2 · Senior Member

I believe that it is important for everyone to keep this in mind when watching or reading news. Most news providers do lean to one side or the other. Very few are as "fair and balanced" as one news channel claims.

One of my favorite high school teachers once told me to never take another's word as proven truth. Always doubt and ask questions. Research, research, research...

lagonda · Senior Member

SG:

Mother Teresa, who is on the road to canonization, revealed in her diary that she was always waiting for that sign, the epiphany or even a feeling that there was a God to respond to her.

Another subject:

An atheist says God doesn't exist. I would suspect you are not an atheist, but maybe something else.

You cannot prove something doesn't exist. You can only prove that something does exist, and many of those things that exist have not been proven yet.

Those who claim proof of God are not getting the point. You cannot prove God, the Bible, afterlife, etc. None of those are facts as we know them.

It is all faith and mysteries. If they were fact, there wouldn't be the concept of faith as applied to religion.

People ask what color were the dinosaurs? If there are no dinosaurs to see and no samples today with color, then they were no color at all, because there were no human retinas to see them to determine color. Color is a human experience.

Some ask did God create man or did man create God? They co-exist. Religion exists as a feeling that people have. We know that dogs don't have religion. Would there be any religion at all if there weren't man to experience it?

To quote religious and existentialist philosopher, Soren Kirkegaard:
"The function of prayer is not to influence God, but rather to change the nature of the one who prays."

Anyone other than SG think real hard before you respond to this.

SG: I would fight to protect your freedoms, amigo. (not advice, I'm just telling you I would personally. It is part of the freedoms and responsibilities we have as Americans, and I would do my part.)

Mormon Man · Newbie

We are all illegal, our ancestors came here to seek better lives...We are such hypocrites...

dddfan · Veteran Member

Morman man,
Speak for yourself.

dddfan

I love being Right · Veteran Member

They way I see it even if there were laws back then outlining legal immigration -- it was our ancestors, not us that would have broken the law. We were born in this country therefore, legal. These people are the ones actually sneaking across the border breaking the law.

I don't see how we are hypocrites for something we didn't do. Are you willing to break a law in a foreign country? Or even sneak into another country? Their taking advantage of our system.

CALLUS · Veteran Member

S23246G wrote:

Morman man,

You are wrong. Even IF our ancestors had come here illegally (mine stood in line and did it right, I'm told), WE were born here, and that makes it our country. We didn't sneak into this country under the cover of darkness just to find a job so we could send money back HOME, keeping our loyalties tied to our homeland, waving flags of our homeland, with no intention of becoming American citizens.

If you did that, then speak for yourself, not me.

SG ,DDFAN,ILBR

Do you really know that for a fact? Even some of those who could not pay their way over from the Europion Countries hid away on ships and some come on slave ships by any means they could to look for a better life. And when those first settlers came here they made and changed laws to benefit them instead of conforming to the laws of the land owners before them. One thing for sure if you belive the history you learned in school you will not try to deny the facts taught to legal or illeagal children today! ( CHRITOPHER COLUMBUS ) wink

I love being Right · Veteran Member

Finally some more controversy!!!!! It's been really quiet!

Let me say this again...I DID NOT SNEAK INTO THIS COUNTRY OR BREAK ANY LAWS TO GET HERE.

It's that simple, really. This I do know for a fact.

motherof2 · Senior Member

Just found out a local church plans to rent a home and pay utilities for an illegal family of 10. They are trying to get a habitat for humanity house, but cannot due to their citizenship status. They were told that they would be promised one in 2 years. You see, their eldest son will turn 18 and they can get it in his name (somehow).

Now, I have two problems with this. While I would rather see a church donating their money to illegals than our government, I wonder if the church members know about this. Also, if the church wants to help them get on their feet, that is one thing. However, helping a family who has no future plans of helping themselves is quite another.

Second problem I have is that the government IS going to give them our tax dollars in two years. I understand that half of the money raised for these homes comes from donations, while the other is matched by grants. I'm sure there are no legal citizens of this country who need this house, right?

I have a lot more respect for immigrants who come over here with intentions of supporting their families and contributing something to our community. While I do not know the specific situation of this family, it appears at first glance that they are just milking us for everything they can get. Perhaps there is more to the story?

Wilson · Member

Anytime I have to work overtime to pay my taxes owed to this state and county.....I am going to be against Habitat for Humanty giving away my tax dollars to a family of illegals. Let them work overtime like I am to make their way! That is if they want to live here! At 18 years old I had to forage my way to have a house to live in, and have paid my way ever since, TAX AND ALL!!..... I had no one to GIVE me money or a house to live in when raising my kids. I PAID FOR IT ALL!!! I supplied them with health care so the state didn't have to take on my responsibilties. It wasn't always easy..... NOW!....having said that, if there are hungry children doing without food because their parents can't feed them, I would be the first in line to help make sure they get a good meal...But thier parents can starve till they can figure out how to make a living well enough to feed their babies. If they are legal then give them state aid till they can get on their feet. If not they better have a good back up plan! Mother of two I hope this is rumor mill cause if it isn't someone needs to be exposed!!!!!

motherof2 · Senior Member

As of now, just consider this rumor. I got this by way of "he said, she said". I'll try to dig up some more and confirm. Personally, I was suprised to hear someone had promised them a Habitat home. How can their son get it at 18? Why would he be legal if they are not? These are all questions I hope to answer. If this rumor is true, it sounds fishy. Someone would have to be helping them work the system. Like I said, their HAS to be more to this story.

By the way, I have also heard (rumor, again) that the cotton gin is renting properties for illegals. Has anyone heard anything like this?

lagonda · Senior Member

"Could this be what I fear it is, A church dedicated to restoring the land that used to be Mexico,"

Restoration in spanish christianity (I believe, not totally sure, but pretty sure) religion refers to post inquisition return to grace based catholicism, rather than harsh judgement. The spanish christianity completely missed the King James thee and thou stuff and most of the Anglican stuff that was about the King of England getting a divorce and his excommunication. Not about stealing Kansas land for the Mexican Catholics.

motherof2 · Senior Member

The family is moving back to Mexico now. Not sure why, but I wish them luck. :)

lagonda · Senior Member

"So... what are you trying to say?"

Uh.. I dunno, just answering the question. You can't relate spanish churches to historically English restoration stuff. Not the same, but it is religious not land.

lagonda · Senior Member

Kinky Friedman proposed in the New Yorker magazine the "Five Mexican Generals" solution. We are spending a boatload of money keeping out immigrants. He suggested we divide the border into 5 zones and assign the zones individually to a Mexican General. Put an escrow in each of the Mexican General's name in the amount of one million dollars which will be paid at the end of the year (much cheaper than we spend now). At the end of the year, deduct $10,000.00 for each illegal immigrant we find coming across the border. Problem solved.

lagonda · Senior Member

Well, it's not my plan...
The theory is that there wouldn't be any. They would all disappear somewhere in the desert.

Willlenker · Member

Illegal immigration is bad for the economy and society in general. If we let those rules go in the name of political correctness, then why should we have any laws at all? I personally am not an anarchist, but anarchy is what we promote by turning our backs and keeping these issues swept under the rug.

Military man · Newbie

Put up a fence, secure it with a mine field and motion detector activated machine guns, mine field and have the military patrol there. Give them orders to shoot to kill. This is the only way to secure our borders. I do not care if anyone wants to admit this or not but it is an invasion of our country.
When will the liberal or democrats be happy? When there is a mexican flag flying over the white house? They only reason the democrats want to pass these bills is so they can increase there voting base....
Mexico has done something no other country in the world has benn able to do... Take over the united state without even firing a shot... They are going to keep pumping the illegals over here until they breed out the united states.
What do the illegals have to fear? If they are caught there hands are not even slapped... We just send them back and the next night send them back again... I am sorry but if I have a insect or rodent problem.. I take care of it, I do not feed them and set them outside... they only come back...Thanks to them I know have to press one for English or two for spanish. I am not in Mexico. There are not other language options just one for the illegals.
They do not come here with the intent on learning our language. they come here and want to stay here but act like they are living in Mexico. Why in the world do we honor the fifth of may? That is a mexican holiday... I bet they do not honor the 4th of July in Mexico... Why because it has nothing to do with that nation.
The illegals are taxing all of our programs that we set up and fund with our tax dollars.

I can go on and on....